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is tao theisitc or nontheistic

Discussion in 'Taoism DIR' started by Iti oj, Feb 11, 2015.

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  1. yes

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  2. no

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  3. other

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  1. chevron1

    chevron1 Active Member

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    in chinese name theory all things have a "secret" divine name that is their "true" name. a designated name means that i just gave it a name to refer to it. tao is a designated name because it has no "true" name.
     
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    chevron1 Active Member

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    no that is buddhist inflected taoism. classical taoism sees destiny.

    dna is some kind of destiny, is it not? classical taoism has an ancient concept of dna: prototype.
     
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    psychoslice Veteran Member

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    I don't think Taoism should be a belief system of any kind, it was never meant to be an ism, and also I cannot debate or argue over the Tao, because there is nothing to debate.
     
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    taoism is a religion, not a belief system.
     
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    psychoslice Veteran Member

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    When you say religion, what do you mean by that ?.
     
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    nothing is nothing but sometimes nothing is mystical something.
     
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    cosmology and theology are important to some forms of practice. if a taoist does not understand or rejects a particular aspect of cosmology or theology, sometimes they are prevented from achieving.

    for example, metaphysical third eye is a form of chi-based prognostication that can be tested at each stage of training. a student can be asked to "read" what is in a covered box and to advance, they must be able to see into it. if you don't believe in chi, then you will have trouble learning the technique.
     
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    Okay, but I don't think that is relevant to my comment. The Tao can be named in the sense of referred to, on the pain of reducing all commentary on it to absurdity (I am leaving aside here valid investigation into the problems of language and mental concepts in apophatic theology/metaphysics).

    In Semitic monotheism, too, the way in which God is named is not the same way humans are.
     
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    Clearly it was meant to be a belief system. Even accepting the very flawed Western distinction between philosophical Taoism and other varieties, the philosophical Taoists aimed to communicate metaphysical and spiritual truths and beliefs, and to inculcate specific practices, virtues, and mindsets/

    We are not mystics and sages, besides we are, I presume, generally Westerners (given to rationalism and overconceptualisation). Within limits, I would leave the apophatic and elliptical style to the Taoist sages.
     
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    The Tao is not a force of pure good, it precedes the concepts of good and evil.

    And no, the Tao is not a god, it is a cosmic force. A god is a sapient being; the Tao is much more abstract.
     
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    Lyndon "Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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    A God is not a sapient force, a God is a spiritual or cosmic force.. Even many Christians agree with this.
     
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    It's all open to interpretation but I'll divide this into two parts, to what the question really is:

    1. Does the object of the Tao represent "God" perse?
    2. Is Taoism, theistic or nontheistic?

    1. In my experience, no.
    2. Depends on the individual, can be but doesn't have to be. There are 'deities' in Taoism but those that take it as a philosophy only, clearly don't apply that aspect. Like any religious, spiritual and philosophical tradition, it's kind of a mishmash.
     
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    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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    How about this:
    Tao is the process.
    I am part of the Tao
    You are part of the Tao.
    Gaia is part of the Tao.
    The Universe is part of the Tao.
    God(s) if he/she/they/it exist(s), is part of the Tao.

    I really didn't intend to create poetry.
     
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    I voted Yes and No. It has the concept of immortals, especially the 8 Immortals. But it also does perfectly well withour theistic trappings. But just when you're gonna typecast it as nontheistic, you find out that actual Christian scholars have used the Tao as an analogy.
     
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