Blah, blah, blah. I'm not interested in your tired spiel. It's all been heard before. You apparently aren't even reading what I said. This is why American Christianity is a farce.
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Is Suicide A Sin?
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3rdAngel
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I read everything that you said and have shown you why I disagree with your opinions from Gods' Word alone. Your response is to simply provide your own opinion which is not God's but yours and have provided no evidence for what you say. To me only God's Word is true and we should beleive and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:3-9; Romans 3:4; Acts 5:29.
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So you've basically thrown out the Holy Spirit and replaced God with words on a page. I guess the vast majority of Christians throughout history who were totally illiterate and couldn't quote a single verse were just fake Christians in your mind, too. Okay...
If sin is transgression against the law of God, then, no, there is no such thing as sin.
3rdAngel
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So you've basically thrown out the Holy Spirit and replaced God with words on a page. I guess the vast majority of Christians throughout history who were totally illiterate and couldn't quote a single verse were just fake Christians in your mind, too. Okay...
According to God's Word (not mine) the Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Word *John 6:63. If there is no word there is no Spirit and no faith as faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *Romans 10:17
Skwim
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Reconstruct it all you want, but it still doesn't say that suicide is a sin. Does it?
It also means to corrupt.
In any case I don't give a fink what you may think it means in Greek It still doesn't say suicide is a sin. Does it.
Moreover, we're looking at the English meaning of "defile" because that's the language my Bible is written in. If the translators felt their source word meant "destroy" then that's the word they would have used, not "defile." The two words aren't that alike to function as synonyms.
And If we only corrupt ourselves (we don't commit suicide) the verse is moot by default.
Attempts at providing evidence, yes, but actual, successful evidence, No.
Why assume I have a preconceived opinion when I've given you no reason to? Truth is, I've heard it claimed both ways, and never having read that suicide is a sin and wondered why some people claim it is; Is there some verse(s) that said it was? As It's turned out, so far all I've read are a lot of lame apologetics...........No evidence that god considers committing suicide to be a sin. But maybe some smart gal or fella will come around and do just that.
Well, if it is you've certainly failed to show it.
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You're still ignoring that the vast majority of Christians were illiterate and only heard the Bible while at church. That's why they had to create such detailed art in churches to illustrate Bible stories and doctrines important to Salvation. Most Christians who have ever lived never owned a Bible, let alone read one.
Run away if you want. You're still not getting the point.Thanks everyone for the discussion. I see this as gone as far as it has gone without talking aroung in circles. I am out of this one for now
And in Latin or Church Slavonic half the time, only half understood by anyone, if even that.
People don't commit suicide lightly. It is almost always as a result of unimaginable pain, physical or psychological. A god which puts quantity of life above quality of life is not a god I would call loving. I think you need to twist the scripture pretty hard to interpret suicide as a sin at all, let alone an unforgivable, damnable act.
This is how I view it as well. We reincarnate at the same spot, so ultimately suicide is useless. It's certainly not a sin, in my view, but a consequence of hard times or mental illness. I suspect that many folks haven't been really close to someone, and just have hardened hearts to the degree that compassion for them isn't easy. So they go off on the sin bit.
No. But it is the most important philosophical topic, according to Albert Camus
Well we should avoid helping people commit suicide.
Why?
If someone suffering horribly with what is undoubtedly a terminal illness, and if they sincerely wished to die with a little dignity (and a lot less pain), why would you deny them the help of a physician who could help them do that?
Usually people think of people killing themselves due to despair when suicide is brought up, not euthanasia.
But that turns out not to be the case, really. There are countries that now permit physician-assisted euthanasia, including my own country Canada, and these are numbering in the thousands.
I don't know if it's a sin or not, but I remember hearing somewhere that suicide is technically against the law.
Yeah, but I'm talking about what comes to mind when you mention the word "suicide". It's not terminally ill people.
I said avoid, not eliminate.