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Featured Is Suicide A Sin?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Skwim, Nov 6, 2019.

  1. Skwim

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    Well, is it?
    If it is, what's your evidence?

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    YES IT IS!

    The evidence provided here is from God's Word....

    Sin is the transgression of God's law *1 John 3:4.

    The 6th commandment is that we should not kill or murder. Exodus 20:13.

    This applies to murdering ourselves as well. It is an unpardonable sin as you cannot ask God's forgiveness after the act (sin) is committed.

    1 CORINTHIANS 3:16-17 [16], Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?[17], If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

    Now notice very carefully... Everyone who says it is not a sin has no scriptures and no evidence from the scriptures but will simply provide their own opinions unsupported by any evidence.

    Hope this helps
     
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    It depends on one's motive. Suicide can be an act of political protest, offering one's life for a universal goal. Or it can be because for egoistical reasons.

    I of course have no physical evidence, but the belief I have is that someone who commits suicide for personal reasons will come back and face the same psychological turmoil that was avoided until the person overcomes that particular issue.

    So it's not a "sin" but will result in another opportunity to learn a lesson.
     
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    Imho no..because there can be various factors which can induce such a tragic act...
     
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    When is self-sacrifice for a cause equivalent to suicide? Is 'suicide by police' the same as other forms of 'suicide'?
     
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    Sin is a religious concept so not applicable to me.
     
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    Do sins even exist?
     
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    Saint Frankenstein Deus Lux Mea Est
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    That idea that suicide is an unpardonable sin is just one heinous, offensive idea out of many in Christian doctrine. It's also laughably hypocritical since Jesus basically committed suicide and so have many of the martyrs. There's stories of the early Christians going out of their way to **** off Roman authorities so they could kill them and be considered martyrs. What a strange religion.
     
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    Thank you


    1 John 3:4
    4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.​

    Fine, just show me where suicide is considered to be a sin or unlawful.


    So YOU say. However, Exodus 20:13 13 "Thou shalt not kill." doesn't say this includes killing one self. But if you insist it does I can equally insist that it includes killing vermin, mosquitoes, and weeds.


    So how does defile translate to committing suicide? Nothing in the three Bible dictionaries I consulted say that "defile" means committing suicide, or even a sin, which, as I've pointed out doesn't include committing suicide.


    Now notice very carefully... Everyone who says it is a sin has no scriptures and no evidence from the scriptures.

    Only to help confirm the fact that suicide is not a sin. :shrug:



    Thank you.


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    Suicide is murder? A murder is taking aways someone's life against their will. If it is their own life, and they voluntarily choose death, then it is not a murder. This verse does not apply.

    You don't believe someone can find forgiveness from God after death? God not capable of that, in your book?

    This verse has nothing to do with suicide. It has to do with living life in the world for God, being pure and such. It has nothing to do with how one chooses to die, either through a long crippling process, or voluntarily through choice and actions to end one's own life, such as in the case of those facing terminal illnesses.

    It does not help. It obfuscates the complexities of suicide. It does try to understand, show compassion for, or to help anyone facing such a choice. Rather it threatens them with God. That's not going to help anyone.

    I should add, that having a mental illness is not a sin. It means you should seek help if you are feeling suicidal. Compassionate people who listen, rather than smash you across the face with their Bibles, are the ones to reach out to for real help.
     
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  12. Skwim

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    Yeah; however, we're going by what the Bible says, and it says they do.


    Heck it doesn't even have to be unpardonable, just your simple, garden variety sin will do.

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    Both my husband and I (royal wave here) decided many years ago that if either of us become a burden on the other then we would be booking a trip to Dignitas and only one would be coming home.

    Far from being a "sin", it is the caring thing to do.
     
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    In that case, I can see how it would be sinful in a Christian framework if you define sin as something that distances you from God. However, even depression can be considered sinful with that view. Saying it's sinful gives the impression that it's a personal failure the individual is culpible for. I don't think that's the correct way to approach it. If I were a Christian, I would simply view it as a great tragedy when someone takes their own life out of despair and pray for their soul. It would not be my place to judge. Obviously the person was experiencing hell while alive so how could it be loving at all to condemn them to everlasting hell after they have tried to escape it already? I tended to believe in a God of love, mercy and compassion, anyway. I don't get this angry, wrathful, anti-human deity so many Christians seem to obsess over.
     
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    Sure it does. Sin is the transgression of God's law *1 John 3:4. The 6th commandment is that we should not kill or murder. Exodus 20:13.

    Miriam webster dictionary

    self-murdernoun
    self-mur·der | \ ˌself-ˈmər-dər \
    Definition of self-murder
    SELF-DESTRUCTION, SUICIDE
    Synonyms for self-murder
    Synonyms self-destruction, self-slaughter, suicide

    Self murder is suicide therefore sin.

    Nope God is not the God of the dead but of the living. You must find God's forgiveness before death not after death.
    Sure it does. 1 CORINTHIANS 3:16-17 [16], Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?[17], If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

    We are given life by the creator and have no right to take it. The scripture shown above shows that we are God's temple or mean't to be the dwelling place of God. So as the scripture teaches above If any man "DEFILES" (Greek is destoys) his body him will God destroy in the after life.
    This is only your opinion without evidence. The question of the OP was "Is Suicide sin?" You have been provided evidence from the God's Word showing that suicide is sin and an unforgivable sin at that.
     
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    Nope! Exodus 20:13 is in reference to our duty of love to mankind.
    Defile in the Greek means to destroy. If we destroy ourselves (commit suicide) God will destroy us in the life to come.
    Your response...
    The OP asked for evidence and asked the question is suicide sin? You have been given it. No one else has provided any evidence from Gods' Word except their own opinion as I have said they would. Why ask a question if you have a pre-conceived opinion you cannot support from the scriptures (no evidence) when asking for evidence from the scriptures. Sin is only defined from the scriptures in God's Word and suicide as shown through the scriptures is sin and an unpardonable one at that.

    Your welcome.
     
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    Most Christians don't believe in Sola Scriptura. God's Word is supposed to be Christ (the Logos), not the Bible. You're just providing your own opinion of verses, anyway.
     
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    It is true that many do not believe in God's Word. The OP asks the question is suicide a sin where sin is only defined in God's Word as the transgression or the breaking of God's law (10 commandments) and unbelief in God's Word *Romans 14:23. I have only shared God's Word which is not my words but God's and is the evidence provided that supports what I have posted here. Everyone else that has said suiicide is not a sin is only providing their own opinions unsupported by the evidence of Gods' Word that defines what sin is.
     
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    I assume you are some sort of Evangelical Protestant. How you view the Bible is very, very different from how Catholics, Orthodox Christians, Anglicans and even mainline Protestants view it. That doesn't mean they don't believe in the Bible or what have you, but it's not the whole picture or sole source of authority. In traditional Christian thought, the Bible merely points us towards the Incarnation of God in Christ. That is the true Word of God - not some words on a page. Putting a book on a pedestal is idolatry. Regardless, you have to examine the context and meaning of the verses, not just cherry pick them as is. It's a process. But most people are just lazy and ignorant these days.
     
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    According to God's Word JESUS says those who follow man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God are not following God *Matthew 15:3-9. We are only saved by grace through faith in Gods' Word and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. We do not have faith without God's Word neither can we be saved without it as faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *Romans 10:17. If you deny God's Word you deny your only means of salvation from which our very faith comes from. Following man made teachings and traditions break the commandments of God will only keep all who do so out of God's kingdom *Matthew 7:22-26.
     
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