Is Sexual Intercourse Between Siblings Morally Permissible?

[MSizer]

I believe that intercourse between close relatives is immoral, but I am not going to go out of my way to stop you.

Immoral on what grounds?

 

[MSizer]

As I have mind, intellect and conscience, I am in the prefect position to judge every thing; ideas, actions, situations etc...differentiating between what is right and wrong, between what's acceptable and what is not, is supposed to be a normal mental and intellectual process of any normal human being. If I passed by ideas and acts and said "oh non of my business, I don't give a damn, I don't have to think about it" then we become no different than the shoes we wear. I have very right to judge and express my judgments and decisions.

But you haven't expressed any judgement. All you've done is declared sibling sex as disgusting. I think it's disgusting too, but I have no objection to it, I simply don't do it. Of course all of the typical requirements apply such as mutual consent, but that's no different in any sexual encounter.

Do you have any justification on which you can make a mature moral judgment about sibling sex, or are you simply going to continue ignoring the use of the mind you point out you have and base your stance on sentiments

If koran or hadith are the only answers you have, then I push the question again - do you have any justifiable mature means of making a judgment based on principles of harm or fairness?

 

[MissAlice]

Child defects anyone...?

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

In most of these cases one of them know that what he is doing is raping his younger brother and make him believe that what he is doing is playing.

The you know that is what the priest are doing with the boys in church? Have you heard all those accusation in the Catholic church.

That you have been doing with your brother is called HOMOXESUALITY and children's SEXUAL ABUSE.

Both are a crime to God but the second one is a crime to man and to God comitted again an inocent child convincing him that you was playing must of homosexual are created by people like you.

You shall be in prison.

Typical.... Ignorance is created by people like you who demonize things you don't fully understand.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

That's more of that good ole Christian love ISLAM

 

[Ozzie]

Is it morally permissible for a brother and sister (adults) to use birth control and willingly participate in a sexual act? Y/N? Why?

I can think of no argument that makes it immoral, since no harm is caused to anyone.

The Internet has pornograhically sexualised society to the extent these days that you couldn't give two hoots if your neighbour is banging his sister with birth control. If one slips through the filter you would probably complain that a retard has been produced that puts pressure on the public purse. It is now mainly an economic argument that a brother shouldn't pork his sister.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

The Internet has pornograhically sexualised society to the extent these days that you couldn't give two hoots if your neighbour is banging his sister with birth control. If one slips through the filter you would probably complain that a retard has been produced that puts pressure on the public purse. It is now mainly an economic argument that a brother shouldn't pork his sister.

Don't blame the internet and pornography, people are sexual by nature, and there's really nothing wrong with that. The only problem is that we live in a country founded by prudes that demonized any kind of sex except the boring kind after you're married... I say we end it now; this is America, and it's every woman's constitutional right to have sex with me! :yes:

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Amen ISLAM, and it's every man's constitutional right to be gay if that's what we are.

 

[zaph'nath-paan'eah]

Typical.... Ignorance is created by people like you who demonize things you don't fully understand.

An d what is that i have to understand?

That you are a children raper and sodomize who use the filty excuse of playing which all inoccent child believe to make them fall.

This is what Jesus said about people like you:

To any who make one of this child that believe in me to stumble if better for that person to be hang by the neck with a rope and a mill and through in the middle of the sea.

 

[DeitySlayer]

An d what is that i have to understand?

That you are a children raper and sodomize who use the filty excuse of playing which all inoccent child believe to make them fall.

This is what Jesus said about people like you:

To any who make one of this child that believe in me to stumble if better for that person to be hang by the neck with a rope and a mill and through in the middle of the sea.

Let's refer back to the original message that sparked this all off.

"I had a friend that I "played with" for five years. We weren't boyfriend and boyfriend. We were just good friends that happened to like to have sex with each other. We did this for a longer period of time than most people keep a boyfriend/girlfriend. This even lasted longer than my last marriage. As two friends playing with each other constantly, how were we hurting society? How would this be different if I had been playing with my brother for those five years?"

Where exactly in this did you derive the notion of sexual abuse or child abuse? Or even non-consensual sex? You're just making up **** now that isn't in the original text.

 

[ManTimeForgot]

By morally permissible: Does this mean that considerations of genetic integrity should be considered? Inbreeding causes an increased likelihood of the expression of genetic defects. Do parents have the right to increase the likelihood of harm resulting upon their offspring?

MTF

 

[linwood]

Is it morally permissible for a brother and sister (adults) to use birth control and willingly participate in a sexual act? Y/N? Why?

I can think of no argument that makes it immoral, since no harm is caused to anyone.

All things being equal and voluntary I see no moral problem with it.

So...why does the idea still bother me so?
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Also Msizer, why do you base your ethical system on the effects of "harm"?

If something is not harmful to someone can it still be considered immoral in your view?

 

[FluentYank3825]

Since we are on the topic of incest and marriage, I might as well mention that it was once a tradition in Egypt for a pharaoh to marry his sister. There were divine reasons for this, but I don't want to derail the thread.

I learned that this was also a common practice among the Incan royal family.

 

[Commoner]

All things being equal and voluntary I see no moral problem with it.

So...why does the idea still bother me so?
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I think the reason it bothers me is because it is associated (and probably rightly so) with sexual and psychological abuse in childhood and other sexual trauma. It is deviant behaviour, and it's usually the result of circumstances and actions that I (and probably any resonable person) would consider immoral. So it's more the underlying theme rather than the action itself that makes me jump to the "ought not" knee-jerk reaction.

For instance - the notion of siblings, who only became aware of each other as adults, after already having formed a relationship, does not bother me in the same way.

 

[Commoner]

By morally permissible: Does this mean that considerations of genetic integrity should be considered? Inbreeding causes an increased likelihood of the expression of genetic defects. Do parents have the right to increase the likelihood of harm resulting upon their offspring?

MTF

Wow there, that's a whole 'nother story. Producing offspring - I would definitely consider that immoral. "No harm" does not appy anymore in that case. But I think that's going beyond the scope of the OP.

However, there is always a risk involved, even if birth control is used...

 

[wmjbyatt]

Personally, I don't find it immoral for consenting adults of any relationship to engage in a sexual act, however, I could see arguments suggesting that it would be immoral.

For example, if we have an evolutionarily-based moral system (and we're Luddites), it could be argued that it is then immoral for a sex act to occur between siblings on the grounds that it's bad for the gene pool if children result and that it's wasteful if preventative measures are taken to avoid conception.

(On a strange sideways note, it turns out that the best, quickest way to improve a gene pool very rapidly involves lots of incest, but in a guided fashion. Breeders breeding desirable traits into stocks of domesticated animals have, for years, been utilizing the gene-reinforcing aspects of incest to do this. Of course, for this to work, the breeder has to be willing to separate or euthanize the stock in which undesirable traits have presented, which presents other moral issues)

 

[Tiapan]

Assuming the purpose of sex is to breed, if the population of your genotype is small then it would be essential to your continued existence as a part of the natural world. However given the large population base of humanity, it is usually not only unlawful in most places, but it is extremely likely to harbor genetic exaggeration that promotes genetic abnormalities typical of inbreeding as often seen in both pedigree dogs and Egyptian pharaohs

Cheers

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

In some European countries, it is possible for siblings to marry if they get Royal dispensation.

I had a young female member of staff who use to come skipping into work, declaring that Incest is best.... I never asked????

 

[linwood]

I think the reason it bothers me is because it is associated (and probably rightly so) with sexual and psychological abuse in childhood and other sexual trauma. It is deviant behaviour, and it's usually the result of circumstances and actions that I (and probably any resonable person) would consider immoral. So it's more the underlying theme rather than the action itself that makes me jump to the "ought not" knee-jerk reaction.

So you believe such a relationship can never come about with all things being "Equal and voluntary".
I won`t argue, I think you`re probably right.

For instance - the notion of siblings, who only became aware of each other as adults, after already having formed a relationship, does not bother me in the same way.

We were watching some movie the other night where a young man discovered that the young woman he had slept with was his half-sister.

The character was traumatized to the point of suicide when he discovered he had bedded his sister.

I didn`t feel it was that big a deal considering he couldn`t have known and he had never met her or known her prior.

So I get where you`re coming from.

 

[linwood]

Wow there, that's a whole 'nother story. Producing offspring - I would definitely consider that immoral. "No harm" does not appy anymore in that case. But I think that's going beyond the scope of the OP.

However, there is always a risk involved, even if birth control is used...

Not if a uterus is removed.

The analogy in the OP is perfectly realistic under certain circumstances.