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Is scientific pantheism a form of atheism?

Discussion in 'Atheism DIR' started by RisingKnowledge, May 3, 2012.

  1. RisingKnowledge

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    Dawkins calls it sexed up atheism and i concur.
     
  3. The Sum of Awe

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    Scientific Pantheism is more of a philosophy than anything. A Scientific Pantheist can have any theological view. They can be atheist though.

    Since it is a belief that any theological viewpoint can fit in, it's not claiming anything about the metaphysics, it is considered a philosophy.

    Pantheism as a general term refers to the universe being God in a literal form, unlike Scientific Pantheism.

    Pandeism kind of thinks God is the cause of the universe, and the universe itself. Like the universe is the remains of God... I guess.



    Sources:

    Pantheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Pandeism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Naturalistic pantheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (plus my knowledge of it as a former Naturalistic Pantheist myself)
     
  4. Road Warrior

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    Not true atheism since it still believes in "woo".

    atheism | American Atheists
    Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity, which implies that nothing exists but natural phenomena (matter), that thought is a property or function of matter, and that death irreversibly and totally terminates individual organic units. This definition means that there are no forces, phenomena, or entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature, or which transcend nature, or are "super" natural, nor can there be. Humankind is on its own.
     
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    Thank you guys for replying I see what you guys are saying and I can agree with Dawkins.
     
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    It implies nothing besides that there is no deity.
     
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    I think it is a form of atheism, yes, in that it dispenses with any profound mystery in favour of upholding a mystery external to oneself, that is uncovered by science.
     
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    This is the best depiction of pantheism I've heard lately:

     
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    Tell that to the Atheist organization quoted.

    To believe in "woo", even a godless "woo", is still a belief. Something which is taken on faith with no way to prove it. What makes one person who believes in the supernatural different from another? Neither can prove their position. It's a matter of faith.
     
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    It sure is. Some called it "sexed up" because they think replacing the traditional concepts of a Creator/God(s) that is outside the set of the universe with an ideal of the universe or some other form of pantheism to not quite be atheism.

    I don't really care. If a pantheist calls themselves an atheist that's fine with me. If a pantheist calls themselves a theist that's fine as well.

    Unfortunately atheist has gone from a term meaning non-belief in "my" God to a more reasonable definition of just not theistic to now being considered an outright rejection of all things supernatural in popular usage. I guess that's why we see the use of non-theist as opposed to a-theist in referencing a-theistic Buddhists and other similar religious sects that do not adhere to belief in a deity.

    The misuse and abuse of the prefixes is inevitable but sad.
     
  11. The Sum of Awe

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    And?

    Also, that site is very off the rails
     
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    As someone who loves to reach into their little grab bag of logical fallacies you might want to revisit some of them.
     
  13. Road Warrior

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    Well, I can't disagree there. So is this site.
     
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    Did you read it?
     
  15. Road Warrior

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    What do you call someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community?

    If you support the concept of the "Reason Rally", don't you think it is better to use reason rather than simply stalking me around the forum with your little jabs?

    Why do you persist in this demeaning behavior instead of posting your own links, presenting your own evidence or at least giving your own opinion on the topic? Do you really enjoy bullying people so much that you can't see what you are doing to yourself???

    Yes, I read my own links. I also read this one: Pantheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    One should note that there are different types of Pantheism. The one Dawkins addresses is Naturalistic Pantheism.

    If you have problems with a link or a quote, such as the definition I posted from Atheists.org, why don't you present examples of what you this is a better definition or something other than obtuse remarks more befitting a troll than a serious person with an opinion on a matter?
     
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    What are you on about?

    The OP asked for opinions. We are giving them. Not linking to narrow views by other people and implying that such a view is a true in general. That would be fallacious.

    You alluded to Dawkins site as very off the rails and I asked if you read it. Yes, he's talking about Naturalistic Pantheism. At least you read it. Doesn't show how it's "off the rails".

    Now you are accusing me of being a bully. Brilliant.
     
  17. Road Warrior

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    At least you got the part about Naturalistic Pantheism correct. Have a really great life,
    gnomon. From your constant complaining, it sounds like you are not enjoying it very much. What is your 50 year plan? More of the same or an early exit? In the end, does it really matter which choice you make?
     
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    Wow.

    Now I present to you hypocrisy.

    Someone who finds mocking so offensive apparently has no issues with being a dick. An "early exit"? Is that an allusion to suicide? Wow. If only you could read some of my threads on depression on this forum. Your words would be considered.....mocking in tone.

    But I have learned one thing from you. That the name Dawkins is synonymous with "troll biscuit".
     
  19. Road Warrior

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    quod erat demonstrandum

    Have a nice life, gnomon. I hope it becomes more pleasant for you.
     
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