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Is Schrödinger's cat a true paradox

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Deconstructing Schrödinger's cat

Deconstructing Schrödinger's cat
Date:
February 14, 2020
Source:
Springer
Summary:
Many physicists have attempted to explain the problem of quantum superposition, as exemplified by Schrödinger's cat. Now a French theoretical physicist proposes a novel possible solution, which combines two different approaches and brings in universal gravitation.
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"The paradox of Schrödinger's cat -- the feline that is, famously, both alive and dead until its box is opened -- is the most widely known example of a recurrent problem in quantum mechanics: its dynamics seems to predict that macroscopic objects (like cats) can, sometimes, exist simultaneously in more than one completely distinct state. Many physicists have tried to solve this paradox over the years, but no approach has been universally accepted. Now, however, theoretical physicist Franck Laloë from Laboratoire Kastler Brossel (ENS-Université PSL) in Paris has proposed a new interpretation that could explain many features of the paradox. He sets out a model of this possible theory in a new paper in EPJ D.

One approach to solving this problem involves adding a small, random extra term to the Schrödinger equation, which allows the quantum state vector to 'collapse', ensuring that -- as is observed in the macroscopic universe -- the outcome of each measurement is unique. Laloë's theory combines this interpretation with another from de Broglie and Bohm and relates the origins of the quantum collapse to the universal gravitational field. This approach can be applied equally to all objects, quantum and macroscopic: that is, to cats as much as to atoms.

The idea of linking quantum collapse to gravity has already been proposed by the great English physicist and philosopher Roger Penrose, but he never developed his ideas into a complete theory. Laloë proposes a model that goes in the same direction, agrees with physical observations and may one day prove testable experimentally. It is relatively simple -- 'naive', even -- and introduces only one additional parameter to the standard equation. Laloë is planning to explore more consequences of his model in different situations. Furthermore, he suggests that a theory that combines quantum mechanics with gravitation may have implications in astrophysics."
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I don't really know enough about quantum mechanics

But on a larger scale

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This i can relate to and it may give an inkling of the quantum scale.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The real question is whether you have to clean the box, or leave to the next thinker...
And have you ever tried to get a cat into a box?
If they've a mind that they don't belong there,
you'll need a whole lotta Bandaids.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Deconstructing Schrödinger's cat
One approach to solving this problem involves adding a small, random extra term to the Schrödinger equation, which allows the quantum state vector to 'collapse', ensuring that -- as is observed in the macroscopic universe -- the outcome of each measurement is unique. Laloë's theory combines this interpretation with another from de Broglie and Bohm and relates the origins of the quantum collapse to the universal gravitational field. This approach can be applied equally to all objects, quantum and macroscopic: that is, to cats as much as to atoms.
Seems to be very contrived. Without an explanation of how Laloë arrived at that idea I'm skeptical.
 

WhyIsThatSo

Well-Known Member
Deconstructing Schrödinger's cat

Deconstructing Schrödinger's cat
Date:
February 14, 2020
Source:
Springer
Summary:
Many physicists have attempted to explain the problem of quantum superposition, as exemplified by Schrödinger's cat. Now a French theoretical physicist proposes a novel possible solution, which combines two different approaches and brings in universal gravitation.
Share:

FULL STORY

"The paradox of Schrödinger's cat -- the feline that is, famously, both alive and dead until its box is opened -- is the most widely known example of a recurrent problem in quantum mechanics: its dynamics seems to predict that macroscopic objects (like cats) can, sometimes, exist simultaneously in more than one completely distinct state. Many physicists have tried to solve this paradox over the years, but no approach has been universally accepted. Now, however, theoretical physicist Franck Laloë from Laboratoire Kastler Brossel (ENS-Université PSL) in Paris has proposed a new interpretation that could explain many features of the paradox. He sets out a model of this possible theory in a new paper in EPJ D.

One approach to solving this problem involves adding a small, random extra term to the Schrödinger equation, which allows the quantum state vector to 'collapse', ensuring that -- as is observed in the macroscopic universe -- the outcome of each measurement is unique. Laloë's theory combines this interpretation with another from de Broglie and Bohm and relates the origins of the quantum collapse to the universal gravitational field. This approach can be applied equally to all objects, quantum and macroscopic: that is, to cats as much as to atoms.

The idea of linking quantum collapse to gravity has already been proposed by the great English physicist and philosopher Roger Penrose, but he never developed his ideas into a complete theory. Laloë proposes a model that goes in the same direction, agrees with physical observations and may one day prove testable experimentally. It is relatively simple -- 'naive', even -- and introduces only one additional parameter to the standard equation. Laloë is planning to explore more consequences of his model in different situations. Furthermore, he suggests that a theory that combines quantum mechanics with gravitation may have implications in astrophysics."

The only "paradox" here is that of man ( not the cat )...
and his inability to "see" beyond his five physical senses.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
The only "paradox" here is that of man ( not the cat )...
and his inability to "see" beyond his five physical senses.
Quite so. At the quantum level, there are no more "things", or even "states" to investigate. There is only phenomena, that we can only detect and differentiate via other phenomena. But we don't know how these phenomena inter-relate. Which is why logic (mathematics) begins to 'fall apart' at that level of inquiry.
 

WhyIsThatSo

Well-Known Member
Quite so. At the quantum level, there are no more "things", or even "states" to investigate. There is only phenomena, that we can only detect and differentiate via other phenomena. But we don't know how these phenomena inter-relate. Which is why logic (mathematics) begins to 'fall apart' at that level of inquiry.

That's true......maybe "Tiberius" is listening...
 
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