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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by questfortruth, Jul 1, 2017.

  1. questfortruth

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    Imagine a man on the edge of the abyss. God says: do not make a step forward, or by death will die. An unhealthy Lucifer approaches and says "make the step, God envies you, fly like a bird!" And when the man stepped forward, the hope for Lucifer's repentance disappeared: God cursed him. A person can not turn into a bird, so that person is broken:


    Wikipedia's religion is "connection to a supernatural being". But any human has supernatural Freewill. Hereby do not listen to Nihilists, who do nihilate everything what relates to True God.
    So, the Religion is connection to True God, faith in Verity.

    The "church of satan" is the false religion, because the satan is less powerful figure in Bible, than Jesus Christ. So, he can not be the True God, and so the satanism is the false religion.
    The next example are the false prayers in the Flying Spaghetti Monster church: this religion is false, because the worship of FSM is meant to be pretended, it means - false worship.

    Because there are false religions, there is True Religion, in light of which the others are false. We do worship the True God, because our God is Truth. Verity.

    Any Nihilist shall agree, what, according to Bible author, the satan is the most negative figure.
     
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  2. Lyndon

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    Some people feed off negativity.
     
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    People who worship Satan do so because they portray him to be the good guy. He is described as being a God of light and was helping Adam and Eve pbut gain knowledge that would have made them God like, but the 'bad' God forbade them and expelled them.

    Simply put Satan = light and good, leading people to attain God like status
    YHWH = bad, wrathful, vengeful, jealous etc

    On the face of it this would seem to make sense to many people, but as believers we know Satan = Master of Deception.
     
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    It is the god featured in the Bible which is mad and bad!
     
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    No, He's Firm but Fair. He loves His Creation and wants the best for us. Stories you might read about genocide are written by men to justify their treatment of others and self perceived superiority.
     
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    There are Satanists on the forum, I'm sure they don't need me to defend their beliefs, but check it out chaps, Official Church of Satan Website | churchofsatan.com They are a benign and peaceful organisation, no animal or human sacrifices to the "dark lord" required! I think you may misunderstand their aims and objectives.

    Dude, can you demonstrate the FSM is false? Can you demonstrate your god is real? The Church of the FSM is growing in membership, many bear testimony to the happiness the FSM brings to their lives. Have some respect for the Pastafarians.
    Yeah, always thought the devil gets a bad press, he seems to be in anything considered fun!
     
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    So, the worship of FSM is real now? But what about the atheists their? Are they then false atheists?
     
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    No such thing as 'false atheists'. If they literally believe in the FSM, then they're theists. If they don't, they're atheists.
     
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    Let me say I believe the FSM to be as real as any other deity I've heard or read about. Hope that explains.
     
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    An assertion with no evidence to support it
     
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    Not sure whether that applies to any major amount of pastafarians, but among LHPers, i.e. the group of religions also Satanism belongs to, there are also some who believe that deities exist on an intersubjective plane (which is basically the plane of imagination) and can influence objective reality, but that their existence is dependent on who believes in them and that they are nothing but the product of human imagination. That's basically what chaos-magickians typically believe. Now, is that atheistic or theistic?
    The Church of Satan, at least in its current form, consists of atheists who don't even claim to believe in Satan, or in any other spiritual being. They are an atheistic religion (like e.g. Taoism or Confucianism) who use elements of theistic religions for psychological reasons.

    And for your info, also theistic Satanists normally don't believe in the same entity that Christians call Satan, or they at least interpret it in a very different way.

    Then what about Hinduism? Or Shinto? Or even Islam and Judaism? How are those less true religions?

    Please read a bit of Nietzsche (an author very often associated with nihilism).
    And please tell me which bible verses you are referring to as there are very few even mentioning Satan.
     
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    The historical origin of FSM is the protest against the True Religion. Originally the FSM church was founded as the mockery of Religion. Am I right?
     
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    Satan loves you.
     
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    "The "church of satan" is the false religion, because the satan is less powerful figure in Bible, than Jesus Christ. So, he can not be the True God, and so the satanism is the false religion.
    The next example are the false prayers in the Flying Spaghetti Monster church: this religion is false, because the worship of FSM is meant to be pretended, it means - false worship."

    This is where you lost and showed your ignorance. Satanism is extremely diverse, its not 1 religion or 1 belief system. The Church of Satan (CoS) is LaVeyan Satanism - there are 2 main branches in Satanism, Theistic Satanism and LaVeyan or Atheistic Satanism. LaVeyan Satanism is a philosophy, not an actual religion. You're only addressing 1 sect which do not even believe in Satan and the Gods/Goddesses of Hell existence. In my opinion LaVeyan Satanism is simply another form of atheism. Sadly it gets the most mainstream media coverage and so ignorant outsiders think LaVeyan Satanism is all there is to Satanism and that its the only kind.
     
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    I think, the former Lucifer loves to hate God and people:
     
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    And you're right Satan opposes the Jewish and abrahamic religions and the Jews in general, but in ancient times He was an extremely positive figure as Satan was worshipped as the God Creator. Same with Serpent Symbolism, a very positive and sacred symbol. In my beliefs True Satanism is simply Pre-Abrahamic Paganism. And your cat is beautiful...

    But I'm confused, what do you want to debate about? If Satan is "mad or bad"??
     
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    Satan plays his followers for suckers.
     
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    It has a purpose outside of just plain mockery, Pastafarians have campaigned to have their religious 'beliefs' to be afforded the same rights and recognitions as other religions e.g. to wear their special headwear (colanders) in official ID photos, or in the workplace, this fella wanted to worship the FSM in prison. Nebraska inmate's $5million Flying Spaghetti Monster lawsuit is dismissed | Daily Mail Online
    The point is religious people often claim "special pleading" to be allowed to do things other people cannot do just because they do not subscribe to a religion, or religious institutions get tax free status for example. Why should they? Religious beliefs should be "respected"? Not in my world mate!
     
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    The original name of the ancient world religion was: Satya.

    "The true Dharma is the Law of Truth-Satya-Dharma.... The Divine Truth, Satyam , as the Vedic Rishis saw... The Rishi's pray for a knowledge of the Law of Truth-Satya-Dharmaya. It was the Truth-Law which all sages and seers of the Vedic period sought to know and work upon."-Swami Sivananda

    The Vedic period was the golden age, called the SAT yuga of humanity.

    This holds the meaning right in the world. Satya is also Sataya in Sanskrit. In Sanskrit the YA or YAE means "I have become". Which is attached to the mantra of the deity name such as Ramaya. "I have become Rama".

    Sata means eternally pure and auspicious, that which is forever. Sata, means "The Saviour God". And is the name of the highest God in Sanskrit the original language of humanity. Satya means "I have become eternal." The point of the ancient religion was to achieve the ascended state by finishing the transformation of the person to the purified state of the light body by the fires of the kundalini energy the serpent energy which takes a person to the perfected state, Sata. The Jews called Satan, Sata in their ancient Kabala texts such as the Sepher Ha-Bahir.

    Satya is also the name of Sat, Sata which the traditional YA on the end to form the classic deity name mantra in Sanskrit.

    Sata was also spelled as Satam, Satan in ancient Sanskrit and also means 100. The number of spiritual perfection and enlightenment. This relates to the sound vibration to open up the crown chakra and third eye. The full opening of such allows one to obtain super consciousness where they can know the Satya Dharma. The Truth of existence on a cosmic level.

    Sata is the name of the head god in the East, ancient Egypt and Sumeria.

    The Jews state in their Torah and Kabala that Sata, Satan is their enemy. The Jews are the enemy of Truth. Which do you choose to be?

    Source:
    The Holy Science, Sri Yukteswar
    Tantra Yoga, Nada Yoga and Kriya Yoga, Swami Sivananda
    Sepher Ha-Bahir

     
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    Their own Scriptures say so:

    For I know that after my death ye will become utterly corrupt, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands. (Deuteronomy 31:29)

    "How can you say, 'We [The Jews] are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (Jeremiah 8:8)"
     
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