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Is Russia Still Socialist?

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yes, there is capitalism in Russia these days. But the Kremlin
still exercises control, albeit with a long leash. If any business
fails to behave as directed by government, that business can
be nationalized for immediate & direct control.

Russian Tycoon Criticized Putin’s War. Retribution Was Swift.
Excerpted....
Oleg Y. Tinkov was worth more than $9 billion in November, renowned as one of Russia’s few self-made business tycoons after building his fortune outside the energy and minerals industries that were the playgrounds of Russian kleptocracy.

Then, last month, Mr. Tinkov, the founder of one of Russia’s biggest banks, criticized the war in Ukraine in a post on Instagram. The next day, he said, President Vladimir V. Putin’s administration contacted his executives and threatened to nationalize his bank if it did not cut ties with him. Last week, he sold his 35 percent stake to a Russian mining billionaire in what he describes as a “desperate sale, a fire sale” that was forced on him by the Kremlin.

“I couldn’t discuss the price,” Mr. Tinkov said. “It was like a hostage — you take what you are offered. I couldn’t negotiate.”

Mr. Tinkov, 54, spoke to The New York Times by phone on Sunday, from a location he would not disclose, in his first interview since Mr. Putin invaded Ukraine. He said he had hired bodyguards after friends with contacts in the Russian security services told him he should fear for his life, and quipped that while he had survived leukemia, perhaps “the Kremlin will kill me.”

It was a swift and jarring turn of fortune for a longtime billionaire who for years had avoided running afoul of Mr. Putin while portraying himself as independent of the Kremlin. His downfall underscores the consequences facing those in the Russian elite who dare to cross their president, and helps explain why there has been little but silence from business leaders who, according to Mr. Tinkov, are worried about the impact of the war on their lifestyles and their wallets.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Yes, there is capitalism in Russia these days. But the Kremlin
still exercises control, albeit with a long leash. If any business
fails to behave as directed by government, that business can
be nationalized for immediate & direct control.

Russian Tycoon Criticized Putin’s War. Retribution Was Swift.
Excerpted....
Oleg Y. Tinkov was worth more than $9 billion in November, renowned as one of Russia’s few self-made business tycoons after building his fortune outside the energy and minerals industries that were the playgrounds of Russian kleptocracy.

Then, last month, Mr. Tinkov, the founder of one of Russia’s biggest banks, criticized the war in Ukraine in a post on Instagram. The next day, he said, President Vladimir V. Putin’s administration contacted his executives and threatened to nationalize his bank if it did not cut ties with him. Last week, he sold his 35 percent stake to a Russian mining billionaire in what he describes as a “desperate sale, a fire sale” that was forced on him by the Kremlin.

“I couldn’t discuss the price,” Mr. Tinkov said. “It was like a hostage — you take what you are offered. I couldn’t negotiate.”

Mr. Tinkov, 54, spoke to The New York Times by phone on Sunday, from a location he would not disclose, in his first interview since Mr. Putin invaded Ukraine. He said he had hired bodyguards after friends with contacts in the Russian security services told him he should fear for his life, and quipped that while he had survived leukemia, perhaps “the Kremlin will kill me.”

It was a swift and jarring turn of fortune for a longtime billionaire who for years had avoided running afoul of Mr. Putin while portraying himself as independent of the Kremlin. His downfall underscores the consequences facing those in the Russian elite who dare to cross their president, and helps explain why there has been little but silence from business leaders who, according to Mr. Tinkov, are worried about the impact of the war on their lifestyles and their wallets.

Well, all forms of force and stealing is socialism. But please don't apply critical thinking on that, as it can't be doubted. ;)
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Yes. Proudly.
The State owns the 52% of Gazprom.
State-owned companies are the epitome of Socialism.
Which is good...because the State spends the money it gains to build schools and hospitals.
Privates spend it on...let's drop it...oligarchs would want to have a slice of that 52%...out of greed.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well, all forms of force and stealing is socialism.
No, "socialism" is the people (which is government) owning
the means of production. Ownership is about the extent of
control, ie, which in this case is at the pleasure of the Kremlin.

If you beat someone & stole their purse,
that's just garden variety theft.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
There's only been a change of the guard. Now it seems Moscow seats thuggish oligarchical plutocracy.
It doesn't appear to be an oligarchy at all.
Those Russian billionaires benefitted from the
kleptocratic structure, but they aren't part of
government. Putin appears to entirely run
things, so this one vastly wealthy individual
would be a singular oligarch. Oxymoronic, eh.
 

Viker

Häxan
It doesn't appear to be an oligarchy at all.
Those Russian billionaires benefitted from the
kleptocratic structure, but they aren't part of
government. Putin appears to entirely run
things, so this one vastly wealthy individual
would be a singular oligarch. Oxymoronic, eh.
A new Czar.

An autocracy with the support of plutocrats and with the full blessing of the Russian Orthodox church. Sounds like Russia went hyper retro.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Or spends the money to bomb schools & hospitals.
Greed under socialism can be very violent.
Just ask Ukrainians.

Indeed. That is utterly wrong.
But that does not mean that the State does not use that money to build schools and hospitals.
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Putin is a fascist, not Marxist nor socialist, as all the power is being held by one man who is not using a socialist model but hoarding a great deal of the money all the power for himself and his cronies.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
A new Czar.

An autocracy with the support of plutocrats and with the full blessing of the Russian Orthodox church. Sounds like Russia went hyper retro.
Still socialism....but new & improved with religion!
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Putin is a fascist, not Marxist nor socialist...
You think those things are mutually exclusive?
Nah....socialist governments are typically fascist.
An Putin's Russia is textbook fascism.
Definition of fascism | Dictionary.com
Excerpted...
a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Socialism? :shrug:

Looks more like Czarism.... autocracy and a new kind of anarcho-capitalist economy. Controlled chaos.
How could the capitalism be "anarcho" when
ever business exists at Putin's pleasure?
Notice how the company was ordered to get
rid of the man who criticized the war, or be
nationalized? Nothing "anarcho" about that.

Also, Putin was a Soviet...& appeared to
remain Soviet, hence the question of
socialism's continuing.
 
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RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
It doesn't appear to be an oligarchy at all.
Those Russian billionaires benefitted from the
kleptocratic structure, but they aren't part of
government. Putin appears to entirely run
things, so this one vastly wealthy individual
would be a singular oligarch. Oxymoronic, eh.


He’s a Czar, basically
 
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