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Is Repentence Necessary?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Sunstone, Oct 29, 2005.

  1. Sunstone

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    Is repentence necessary in your religion?
     
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    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    Repentance is only necessary for forgiveness.
    If you like the idea of being dammed......try without.

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    I say the same as terry.
     
  4. Feathers in Hair

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    Nope! :) (Unless you do something wrong, which means that it would be only natural to feel sorry for it, and hopefully want to do better. That's more my personal belief, though.)
     
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    But we all do wrong from time to time. And a lot of people don't feel sorry for what they've done. It might be natural to you, Feathers, because you're a good person, but it's not natural for some peple.

    I believe repentence is necessary, and that we will not be forgiven without it.
     
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    Well, yes, when you've done something wrong you're supposed to make up for it.
     
  7. michel

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    As Kathryn says, Feathers, you are just a 'natural repenter'.............;)

    I agree we all do wrong ( and I would say most of the time :( ); is feeling sorry actual repententence ? I would have thought that there would be much more to repentence than feeling sorry - somehow, I feel I have to do something particularly good to 'atone' for what I have done wrong. Yet, I don't think that is particularly 'healthy' - because I find myself doing things I would never choose to do.......and thence sometimes feel resentful.........I find this all very difficult to deal with.
     
  8. Scott1

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    Why would you feel sorry for something that you intentionally did?

    Why would it be "natural" for you to feel sorry for anything?
     
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    It's sinceraly feeling sorry, sinceraly regretting what you have done, and making a sincere effort to not do it again in the future.
     
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    I know that was addressed to Feathers, Isn't that a natural reaction, that comes from guilt ?
     
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    Sorry for what, actually?

    Why do you "sinceraly" regret what you have done?

    Why make a sincere effort not to do it again?
     
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    For whatever sin you just did.

    It does no good to just pretend to feel bad.

    What's the point of having specific things that are "sins" if it doesn't matter if you follow them or not? If you sin, you have to make an effort not to do it again, or it makes the "sin" part of it moot.
     
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    Sorry, I was not clear.... why do you feel bad that you sinned?
    Even if you are sincere, why do you feel badly?
    I guess I'm not being clear... I'm trying to find out why YOU repent..... what is your motivation to do so?
     
  14. Feathers in Hair

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    Because of my various silly complexes, I feel sorry for things that I didn't do intentionally, as well as things that were probably the right thing to do. (Like having to break off an unhealthy relationship.) I can't fathom why someone would do wrong intentionally.

    I'm afraid I phrased this wrong, since, as Katzpur and Michel noted, I have a tendancy to project my personality on others. I should have clarified that, for me, it's natural to feel sorry for doing something wrong, if nothing else because I have empathy for other people. I feel repenatant if I harm the earth, other people, and other animals, or spirits because I know the pain that they'd be going through. (I'll try not to go into the details, as it would be getting off the subject, but the empathy is so acute that I find it much easier to be hurt, myself, than have other people in pain.) If one takes it back into the religious terms, I feel sorry, as a Pagan, for hurting another, because part of my belief is that we are all intertwined, and that negative actions only harm oneself in the long run.
     
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    OK.... I guess I just don't understand what "sorry" means to you.
    I get ya.... but this type of "repentance" is not what Christians speak of... I respect your beliefs, but I think we're talking about two different things.
    Do you ever feel sorry for actions that don't harm anyone but yourself, and if so, why?
     
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    I repent so that I am in a sufficient state of Grace to face God.
    Sins are sins because we do what God has commanded us not to do, or not done things he wishes us to do. It is not just ticking boxes that are bad.
    Repentance is more than feeling sorry, it is also promising, with the help of God, not to repeat the sin.
    God understands the nature of man and knows that we do indeed repeatedly sin. but in his love he forgives us.

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    Same questions for you Terry (sorry, I'm in a inquisative mood tonight ;-) )

    Why do you seek to be in the Grace to face God?

    I guess I'll have to ask a leading question to be clear: Do you repent out of fear or love?
     
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    If you have wronged someone, you should "make it right"; but I you don't need to repent before the gods.
     
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    Can you give an example of how you would "make it right"?
     
  20. Feathers in Hair

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    I agree that I think we're talking about different things, Scott. Since Pagans tend to not have the concept of sin, I'm not sure if we can be repentant, in the Christian definition. That's why I don't believe it's necessary to my path, but I think the idea of wanting to correct your own actions, not to do them again, and to feel very badly for having done them in the first place might be more of a human 'thing' than a spiritual one.

    I do feel sorry for actions that hurt no one but myself, because I'm only just now starting to realize that I do not deserve to be hurt by anyone, least of all myself. The various dieties I hold in esteem did not intend for me to do things that might hurt myself, so I try to steer clear of doing so.
     
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