Master Vigil
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What do you think? Is it a man-made institution or is it a god-made institution? Or is it something else?
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Since none of us can prove that any gods exist, we must conclude that religion is definately a man-made institution, which I think is the primeval form of human government: giving divine meaning and purpose to the norms of a society and the community's pattern of life. The goal, of course, of religion is the self-preservation of the community.Master Vigil said:What do you think? Is it a man-made institution or is it a god-made institution? Or is it something else?
They make us a better person because they humble us and increase our faith because we're willing to do whatever it takes for him. It's like that story in the bible about the guy who had leprosy, and the prophet told him to wash seven times in the jordan.Suraj said:I don't see how any of these rituals make man a better person.
Rather they encourage man to believe blindly. For instance, are you really going to be redeemed of all sin, if you are baptized? Is it that simpleThey make us a better person because they humble us and increase our faith because we're willing to do whatever it takes for him.
LOL, come on it is politically correct to say "man" Anyway according to the bible, it was man who was created first, the woman was only created, out of a spare rib, to give him company. It's a man's world!all beliefs on this world (in my oppinion) started with a human
Well, you have to repent of your sins first. Then you have to be baptised (by immersion) by one who holds the priesthood. Then you have to recieve the holy ghost. Then you have to endure to the end. Then you are going to be redeemed of all sin.Suraj said:Rather they encourage man to believe blindly. For instance, are you really going to be redeemed of all sin, if you are baptized? Is it that simple
:computer: DittoMaize said:I do not believe any religions are revealed from a divine source; they are all man-made, IMO.
You left out that sin is also a human invention.In other words this ritual is by humans, the judging is also by humans and granting redemption is also by humans. It is a man-made system.
Or, God could just think you're a bit silly for blindly doing what everyone else does without questioning the purpose or result of a ritual. But that's just me speculating.Aqualung said:They make us a better person because they humble us and increase our faith because we're willing to do whatever it takes for him. It's like that story in the bible about the guy who had leprosy, and the prophet told him to wash seven times in the jordan.
Uh... yes.Suraj said:Aqualung, and the above is proof that even your religion is man-made. Was it god who devised this ritual? Was it god who qualified the priesthood?
It is both.Suraj said:Moreover, when you say have to repent for your sins, then receive the holy ghost, who is it that tells you "Now you're sins have been redeemed" is it god, or is it the priest?
He could, but I don't think he's a liar. (when Jesus said that even he had to be baptised to fulfill all righteousness, I don't think he was lying. Am I that much better than christ, that I already have fulfilled all righteousness, and don't need baptism?)Halcyon said:Or, God could just think you're a bit silly for blindly doing what everyone else does without questioning the purpose or result of a ritual. But that's just me speculating.
Really, the priesthood was qualified by god? Oh, I get it, the priest showed you the certificate "This is to certify that the fellow clergyman has been approved by god, signed god"Uh... yes.
What you really mean to say, that it is the priest that pronounces you redeemed, but you believe it is god.It is both.