Is original sin inherited?

[nonbeliever_92]

Assuming that there is an 'original sin' from the 'times of Adam and Eve' is it inherited, is there a gene to determine if you get the O.S.? Has it been changed by evolution? Can it be genetically bred out of us so as to skip judegement and head right on ahead to heaven?

 

[zenzero]

Friend nonbeliever,

Is original sin inherited?

Kindly understand; The original SIN is acting on THOUGHTS arising out of DESIRES.
Till the individual is free from such an ACT he is free from any inheritances BUT he will inherit as soon as he too falls in that trap.

Love & rgds

 

[RedOne77]

Assuming that there is an 'original sin' from the 'times of Adam and Eve' is it inherited, is there a gene to determine if you get the O.S.? Has it been changed by evolution? Can it be genetically bred out of us so as to skip judegement and head right on ahead to heaven?

Assuming your premise is correct (we can inherit O.S. from Adam & Eve), it can't be passed on via the genome. Sin is a spiritual state, not a physical one.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Assuming that there is an 'original sin' from the 'times of Adam and Eve' is it inherited, is there a gene to determine if you get the O.S.? Has it been changed by evolution? Can it be genetically bred out of us so as to skip judegement and head right on ahead to heaven?

Sin that started with Adam causes death.
Once Adam sinned he became imperfect in mind and body.
We being born imperfect can sin by mistake or because of Adamic sin.
If one could stop sinning one would not die.

If sin could be bred out of us we would not need Jesus as Mediator or Messiah or Ransomer or Savior.

The sheep-like righteous ones of Matthew chapter 25 are alive or living at the time that Jesus, through divine intervention, takes action into mankind's affairs. They do not head off to heaven. Please notice in verse 46 that the living righteous ones are on earth remaining alive into everlasting life.
They are alive on earth and remain alive on earth when they start gaining eternal life right here on earth during Jesus 1000-year reign over earth. -Proverbs 2:21,22.

They will not be alone on earth, or the only ones that will live on earth.
Jesus said he had a little flock at Luke 12:32 and this righteous little group will rule with Jesus in the heavens -Rev 5:9,10, but the other sheep of John 10:16 will reside on earth as earthly subjects of God's kingdom by Christ.
These will include resurrected ones back to earth such as the prophet Daniel looked forward (12:2,13), and Job (14:13-15) looked forward to the appointed time until the resurrection on the last day or Jesus righteous judgment day of one-thousand years in length. -Acts 24:15; John 11:24.

If Adam had not disobeyed or sinned Adam would have remained a perfect human in healthy mind and body. God's original purpose was to have the earth populated with perfectly healthy people that would remain right here on earth forever. God has not abandoned his purpose for the earth. That is why Jesus could promise that the humble mild-tempered or meek will inherit the earth. Psalm 37:11,29,38 not only mentions the meek inheriting the earth, but verse 29 says it will last forever. So in order for the upright to remain (Prov 2:21) they will have to obtain or gain the same healthy human perfection of mind and body which Adam was originally created. That would require the removal of sickness (Isaiah 33:24) and removal of death (Rev 21:4,5; 1 Cor 15:26) Only Jesus can save us from death, and Jesus will act as Savior during his coming millennium-long day when he ushers in Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Assuming that there is an 'original sin' from the 'times of Adam and Eve' is it inherited, is there a gene to determine if you get the O.S.? Has it been changed by evolution? Can it be genetically bred out of us so as to skip judegement and head right on ahead to heaven?

The actions you make in life don't change your genes.

If Original Sin is real, then God is a Lamarckian.

 

[Dunemeister]

Assuming that there is an 'original sin' from the 'times of Adam and Eve' is it inherited, is there a gene to determine if you get the O.S.? Has it been changed by evolution? Can it be genetically bred out of us so as to skip judegement and head right on ahead to heaven?

Original sin is inherited, but not by way of physical processes as such. Adam and Eve's sin caused a rupture in the relationship between God and humanity. That rupture caused humankind to be alienated from God. The generations after Adam ad Eve are born into this state of alienation. Thus original sin, though inherited, is not a genetic trait. It's a trait of our default relationship with God.

God, of course, is the ultimate source of humanity's life and moral direction. As a result of our alienation from God, us human beings sin and die.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Doesn't alienation from God go hand-in-hand not only with sinful imperfection, but imperfection of healthy mind and body? Our human imperfection can not stop us from sinning by mistake.

Adam having perfect humanity, being perfectly healthy in mind and body, could only sin on purpose, willfully, deliberately, premeditated whereas we can sin unintentionally by mistake.

Adam lost human perfection of mind and body for us causing alienation from God.
Jesus paid the ransom price for us so that during his peaceful 1000-year rule over earth Jesus can undo that alienation and restore humanity to gain the human perfection necessary to have that original spiritual relationship with our Creator. Starting with the living that are declared as righteous ones of Matthew 25:32,46 they will remain alive to gain everlasting life starting right into Jesus millennial reign over earth.

 

[Dunemeister]

Doesn't alienation from God go hand-in-hand not only with sinful imperfection, but imperfection of healthy mind and body? Our human imperfection can not stop us from sinning by mistake.

Perfection or the lack of it isn't the issue. The issue is the presence or lack of innocence. (If you regard innocence as perfection, then I guess perfection's the issue.)

Adam having perfect humanity, being perfectly healthy in mind and body, could only sin on purpose, willfully, deliberately, premeditated whereas we can sin unintentionally by mistake.

That may be so (which isn't to say that I agree), but it's beside the point of whether original sin is inheritable. The phrase "original sin" refers to our human condition of being alienated from God, which in turn causes all sorts of moral problems and ultimately human death.

Adam lost human perfection of mind and body for us causing alienation from God.

Certainly humanity changed as a result of the fall. But it's not about losing any kind of perfection. It's about Adam so rupturing our relationship with God that our original innocence and happy obedience and fulfillment was lost.

Jesus paid the ransom price for us so that during his peaceful 1000-year rule over earth Jesus can undo that alienation and restore humanity to gain the human perfection necessary to have that original spiritual relationship with our Creator. Starting with the living that are declared as righteous ones of Matthew 25:32,46 they will remain alive to gain everlasting life starting right into Jesus millennial reign over earth.

The means of correcting the problem is also irrelevant to the specific question of this thread.

 

[Random]

We inherit a degenerate, fallen state of mind and body; this is original sin. It is not the same as the 'sins of the Father' or the sins of Adam & Eve anymore; Jesus' death, if you are a believer, paid for that debt. So the only thing left to attend to is the restoration of mankind to the fullest of his/her heavenly glory/power, for we are divine (godlike) beings in spirit.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

We inherit a degenerate, fallen state of mind and body; this is original sin. It is not the same as the 'sins of the Father' or the sins of Adam & Eve anymore; Jesus' death, if you are a believer, paid for that debt. So the only thing left to attend to is the restoration of mankind to the fullest of his/her heavenly glory/power, for we are divine (godlike) beings in spirit.

Heavenly glory/power

Jesus has heavenly glory/power mentioned at Matthew 25:31,32; 16:27.
What does Jesus do with that heavenly glory/power but use it on righteous living mankind.
When Jesus uses his heavenly glory those living sheep-like ones are on earth and continue to remain alive on earth because they are at Jesus right hand of favor, so to speak. They gain life eternal [verse 46] right here on earth.
They do not die but go on living right into Jesus peaceful 1000-year reign over earth. It is the wicked that are destroyed [Psalm 92:7; Proverbs 2:21,22; 10:30]. Wicked ones have the everlasting punishment of everlasting 'destruction' not glory anywhere. 2 Thess 1:9.

So the 'glory' of those righteous of Matthew chapter 25 is not heavenly glory but 'earthly glory' of gaining human perfection of mind, spirit and body that Adam originally had before all of him went back to the dust of the earth.
Since the sleeping dead are awakened or resurrected during Jesus 1000-year day of ruling over the earth then they, like the prophet Daniel (12:2,13) will awaken form the dust of the ground to gain everlasting life on paradise earth.
It is Jesus 'brothers' of Matthew 25:40 that have their 'glory' as ruling in the heavens with Jesus as kings and priests over earthly subjects. -Rev 5:9,10.
Thus the promise to Abraham will be fulfilled that all families of the earth will be blessed, and all nations of the earth will be blessed.
Genesis 12:3; 22:17,17; Rev 22:2

 

[Snowber]

Assuming that there is an 'original sin' from the 'times of Adam and Eve' is it inherited, is there a gene to determine if you get the O.S.? Has it been changed by evolution? Can it be genetically bred out of us so as to skip judegement and head right on ahead to heaven?

Hello nonbeliever92,

I don't think the answer is so difficult. Simply, you wouldn't be human if you didn't commit the "original sin". The original sin of "Adam and Eve" reflects the decision of the entire human race. Humans are a very small portion of all the creatures in the universe, we're that small portion who made a foolish mistake to hold onto our ego's.

 

[Sunstone]

It's my understanding that there was indeed a time when Adam's curse was inherited from one generation to the next. Unfortunately, inheritance taxes where so high during the 60s that the balance of original sin was completely wiped out and so there is no longer any sin remaining to be inherited.

 

[fantome profane]

It's my understanding that there was indeed a time when Adam's curse was inherited from one generation to the next. Unfortunately, inheritance taxes where so high during the 60s that the balance of original sin was completely wiped out and so there is no longer any sin remaining to be inherited.

And the wages of sin have failed to keep up with the increases in the cost of living.

 

[Smoke]

Has it been changed by evolution? Can it be genetically bred out of us so as to skip judegement and head right on ahead to heaven?

It's not genetic; it's magic.

 

[Smoke]

And the wages of sin have failed to keep up with the increases in the cost of living.

Sin is its own reward.

 

[Dunemeister]

It's not genetic; it's magic.

It's relational.

 

[Smoke]

It's relational.

Pertaining to what relations and in what way?

 

[Dunemeister]

Pertaining to what relations and in what way?

I've already explained this. Original sin is the term used to describe humanity's relationship with God. It is characterized by alienation/estrangement and since God is the source of our life and purpose, our alienation is the root cause of our sinfulness (i.e., the bad things we do and the good we fail to do) and ultimately, our death. It is "inherited" only in the sense that Adam, our first ancestor and our representative head, got us into the mess, and the condition is simply passed on to later generations because they start in that alienated condition. It's not genetic, as I said, but relational.

 

[Smoke]

I've already explained this. Original sin is the term used to describe humanity's relationship with God. It is characterized by alienation/estrangement and since God is the source of our life and purpose, our alienation is the root cause of our sinfulness (i.e., the bad things we do and the good we fail to do) and ultimately, our death. It is "inherited" only in the sense that Adam, our first ancestor and our representative head, got us into the mess, and the condition is simply passed on to later generations because they start in that alienated condition. It's not genetic, as I said, but relational.

Basically, our ancestors started a vendetta with God. But since humans generally don't desire to deliberate displease God, isn't the vendetta mostly on God's part?

Original sin means God rejecting us because our ancestors displeased him?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Basically, our ancestors started a vendetta with God. But since humans generally don't desire to deliberate displease God, isn't the vendetta mostly on God's part?
Original sin means God rejecting us because our ancestors displeased him?

God did not reject us because if he did then we would not be here.
Adam, as our family head, could only pass on to us what he himself possessed which sadly was human imperfection of mind and body.

If Adam had remained obedient we would have been born with healthy human perfection of mind and body and Adam would be alive today.

Remember God's purpose for the earth (Gen 1:28) was to have the earth filled [not overfilled] populated with upright people. God did not abandon his purpose or else we would not be here to have that opportunity.

Isn't it Satan, not God, who challenges us at Job 2:4,5?
Apply enough pressure and we will not love or obey God.

God took immediate steps to reverse what Adam and Eve did by giving the first prophecy right away at Genesis 3:15. Jesus proves to be the 'seed' that will deal Satan the serpent the fatal death bruise to his head, (Hebrews 2:14b; Romans 16:20), and Jesus will redeem mankind during his 1000-year reign over earth. Starting with the living righteous ones on earth at Jesus right hand of favor, so to speak, (Matthew 25:31,32,46), these remain alive or keep on living right into Jesus peaceful 1000-year reign over earth with the prospect of everlasting life followed by the resurrection for those of Acts 24:15.

Since Jesus 'makes all things new' (Rev 21:4,5; 22:2) then besides all sin being removed also will all death. With sin and death gone mankind will be able to have the original healthy human perfection of mind and body that Adam originally had, and if obedient we will keep on living forever.