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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Segev Moran, Sep 29, 2016.

  1. URAVIP2ME

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    Wasn't Jesus using a metaphor at Matthew 5:29 ?______ That's what my high school English teacher called it.
    So, Jesus was Not advocating self-mutilation, but stressing metaphorically being willing to cut out, so to speak, cut out of one's life anything that would be 'spiritually' morally harmful such as to stop stealing, fornicating,etc.- Proverbs 6:17-19
    Like someone who needs an amputation to save his life that even though the action could be painful but would protect one's life.

    Fire in scripture is often used to express destruction such as the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7
    The figurative haughty ' goats ' will, so to speak, weep and gnash their teeth - Matthew 25:31-33
    They have been forewarned to ' repent ' if they do Not want to ' perish ' (be destroyed) - 2 Peter 3:9

    Also, please keep in mind that 'biblical hell' is just the grave for the sleeping dead:
    - Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13; John 11:12-14
     
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    Good point ^ above ^. Thanks for your reply. - Psalms 5:4-6; Psalms 7:9-11; Psalms 11:5
     
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  3. URAVIP2ME

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    First of all, it is people turning on the people who accept Jesus - Matthew 10:22
    The literal warrior sword was never to be used by Christians - Matthew 26:52; Revelation 13:10
    When people wanted to make Jesus political king (ruler) Jesus refused - John 6:15
    Because of God' s promise to father Abraham was why Jesus was sent to the Jews - Luke 4:43
    Then, the way was opened up for the Samaritans. Jesus spoke with the the Woman at the Well.
    Finally, the way was opened up for the people of the gentile nations starting with that Italian centurion.
    Jesus gave the assignment that includes being on an international scale with people of all nations - Matthew 24:14; Acts of the Apostles 1:8
    How is Revelation 22:2 (world peace) a bad thing ?
    Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will fulfill God's promise to father Abraham that ALL families and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed- Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18. Blessed with the benefit of healing for all of earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
    Mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for the healing of earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
     
  4. Segev Moran

    Segev Moran Well-Known Member

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    Can you explain how God is Good? Based on what you declare that God is good?
     
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  5. Segev Moran

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    Here are some quotes that are less Metaphorical or even metaphorically, are still interpreted as actively violent...
    8:32 And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.
    10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
    24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    12:47 And that servant(Servant of God), which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

    Yet the metaphorical argument is still troubling.. Why use such a violent metaphor? For what reason if not to plant fear in the hearts of his followers ?
     
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    But rather than have a kneejerk reaction about it, did Jesus ever give you enough depth of thought to ask WHY they were so upset?

    Christianity sings about the "King of Kings" all the time, though. Nations are called "Christian", as if Jesus himself founded them.

    God's promise to Abraham was that he and Sarah were gonna have lots of babies or at least lots of descendants. How does Jesus fit into that other than just being born from that lineage?

    She had to get onto him to get him to help, though. I don't recall Jesus ever having to be guilt-tripped into healing Jewish people.

    What verses prove the centurion or the Samaritan woman joined the group?

    I was under the impression the antichrist would bring about world peace and the author was none too pleased about it.

    How is Jesus necessary for that? Is God magically unable to bless people, even though He clearly does so throughout the bible, with or without Jesus?

    Anyway, for those a little unclear about the violent preferences of Revelation:
    I mean, that's just one chapter and already the author is itching to see a quarter of the world's population killed off.
     
  7. URAVIP2ME

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    Please keep in mind to me the setting for Revelation is for our day or time frame - Revelation 1:10
    In our time frame mankind has seen Not just 2 world wars but many smaller wars, etc. killing off the world's population.
    One boy in high school history class point blank asked the teacher the purpose of wars.
    The teachers reply (which was in harmony with what the boy's father told him) was that war is population control.
    None of which was authorized by Jesus - Matthew 26:52; Revelation 13:10

    Because of false religious teachings ( Jesus was exposing them - Matthew 15:9 ) is a reason for knee-jerk reactions.

    You are Not alone in that many look for an Anti-christ person, but the ' biblical antichrist ' is simply anyone who is against Christ.
    - 1 John 2:18,22; 1 John 4:3; 2 John 1:7 - so there will be No such singular antichrist person.
    There will be people ' they' saying, " Peace and Security " but that is a precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14.
    -1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 - before Jesus as Prince of Peace ushers in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill.

    Jesus is necessary because none of us can resurrect oneself or another, but Jesus can and will - John 5:28; Revelation 1:18
    Jesus is also necessary because none of us can stop sinning, so in order to be declared ' righteous' we need Jesus - Matthew 25:37; 1 John 1:7

    Please notice God's promise to Abraham and Sarah at Genesis 21:12 B; Genesis 17:15-16; Genesis 17:19-21 that the promised seed - Genesis 3:15 - would come through only Isaac's line. Through Jesus ALL families of Earth will be blessed. ALL nations of Earth will be blessed.
    - Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18. Blessed with the benefit of healing through Jesus - Revelation 22:2

    There is only one nation that is called Christian is God's ' spiritual nation ' the Christian congregation - 1 Peter 2:9; 1 Peter 2:5
    People might label their nation as a Christian nation, but that is Not biblical. God's spiritual nation has No borders or boundaries and can't be found located on any map. Anyone in any nation can become part of God's spiritual nation the Christian congregation No matter where they live on Earth.

    Centurion Cornelius was then baptized according to Acts of the Apostles 10:46-48
    Also, please notice John 4:39 about the woman at the well.
    As to if they endured to the end of their lives that is unknown, but seems likely - Matthew 24:13
     
  8. URAVIP2ME

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    Why God is good -> Genesis 1:10-12; Genesis 1:18; Genesis 1:21; Genesis 1:25; Genesis 1:30-31; Psalms 115:16

    In Scripture 'death' is our enemy - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
    Life is good. 'Life' is our friend. So, although we can't stop falling short God offers us life. Everlasting life - John 3:16
    Starting with Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth the majority of mankind can have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection back to life on Earth with the opportunity to live forever on Earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall.

    As the people of Noah's day were eating, drinking and marrying in a background of violence God came to rescue of righteous Noah & family.
    So, with our day - Matthew 24:37 - the God of the Bible will come to righteous mankind's rescue - Matthew 25:31-33,37
    The words from Jesus' mouth will execute the wicked for us - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16; Psalms 92:7; Proverbs 2:21-22.
    Anyone who wants to bring ruin to earth ( literal and moral ) will be brought to ruin - Revelation 11:18 B.
    Thus, only righteous people will fill the Earth - Matthew 5:5
     
  9. URAVIP2ME

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    As far as Matthew 8:32 living under the Constitution of the Mosaic Law the Jews were Not to eat pork products.
    The ' sword ' of Matthew 10:34-36 is because of family opposition to someone wanting to follow Jesus.- Matthew 10:22
    Even some friends of Jesus opposed him at first - Mark 3:21; John 10:20-21
    Yes, as the days of Noah when people were eating, drinking and marrying in a background of a violent world - Genesis 6:11 - so it is today.
    Many people have a selfish distorted form of love as described at 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13 which is in sharp contrast to the definition of godly love as defined at 1 Corinthians 13:4-6; John 13:34-35.

    The bad servant (of God) - Luke 12:45-47 is given figurative stripes proportionate to his responsibilities in Not carrying out his duties.
    In other words, the greatest severity is assigned to the part of those hypocrites - Matthew 24:48-50. See also chapter 23 of Matthew.
    They are false religious teachers who lay traps for the flock of God - Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30
     
  10. Segev Moran

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    Okey..

    1. If there is a book that says that someone was Good.. does not mean that he is Good! ( A lot of Germans wrote in their books that Hitler was the best thing that happened to Germany.. No.. he was NOT)
    2. The genesis story Kind of contradicts the entire God is what decides about Good and Bad..
    Let me explain:

    If God SAW that something is good, this means that God didn't DECIDE that it was Good...
    Meaning, That God not Good itself, rather created something that he discovered as Good...
    Now.. In order for God to realize that something is Good, There HAS to be something that is not Good..More than that.. How did god decide that the heavens and Earth are good?
    has God created many other things that were not good??
    If not, Why would anyone mention that what he did was Good.. And of course, One cannot really judge if he did something Good or not..
    This hints for something beyond god that by which, it was determined whether or not the creation was a Good thing or Not... WHAT?????

    No lets Assume God is Good..
    Can a good person testify on himself that he is good??
    If you'll ask a murderer if he did something good, naturally he will say he did (At least the psychos)
    This does not mean he really is good..
    The ones to testify if a person is good or not, are those impacted by his actions...
    As i see it, The creation (In its biblical form) Was good.. until Humans arrived.. than God kinda blew it ;)
     
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    How do you decide when something is figurative and when it is literal?
     
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    It's all context or mood, take your pick.
     
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    Lol... which makes it exactly what it is.. a Human decision and nothing more.. nothing divine or godly about it :)
     
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    I believe there are two reasons. 1. He has absolute power and the one with the power makes the rules and decides what is good. 2. He created everything the way He wanted it to be so He calls that good.

    Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
     
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    Sorry buddy.. but in genesis it doesn't say "and God said/declared/announced/defined/decided that it was Good"...
    It says he Saw it was good.. meaning that the Good was defined prior to God...
    No what worries me even more than that.. is
    REALLY????
    I'm not even gonna debate that...
    But have you seen the news lately?
    How do you know? Does it say that God created it just the way he wanted?
    It actually sounds like it was experimenting.. and then after completing it's creation, it saw it was good :)
     
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    It can even be mixed. I believe when John received the Revelation of Jesus about the beast he was looking down at earth and seeing shapes. So when it says the head of a lion the country of Turkey actually looks like a head but the lion part is figurative and was an emblem of the Assyrian empire located generally in that are. The foot of a bear stands out as the Arabian peninsula and the bear was a symbol for the Medo-Persian empire which was generally in that area.
     
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    Indeed it is :)

    Who is Us? And seeing is believing is kinda weird argument when it comes to creationism...
    I Can actually agree on that... So how based on that can we decide what is good or Bad?
    I Assume a serial killer sees he's murdering just the way he conceived them.. This doesn't mean they are good.


    So this is what makes It experimental.. If you need to start over, It means you failed no?
    As you said, God flooded the earth because he saw it was Bad.. yet in the creation that was Good in it's eyes...



    So dictatorship is Good?
     
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    Before humans arrived, Satan brought his (Not God's) influence to Eden
    If God did Not grant us free-will choices then God could be called as being a bully.
    What was Not ' good ' about the paradisical conditions in the Garden of Eden ?
    Plenty to eat, drink, etc. along with having perfectly healthy bodies capable of living forever on Earth.
    God told that eating from the forbidden tree was bad because it would lead to: death. Their life would come to an end.
    So, mankind could have everlasting life on Earth as long as avoiding breaking God's law.
    There was No restriction from eating from the tree of life.

    Back in 2010 a German woman told me that under Hitler conditions were good.
    Her daughter still praises the conditions she had under Hitler.
    Today, a friend of hers still living in Germany said the Devil is running free in Germany.
    Interesting, if I have it right, Hitler said if we (Germany) loose the war it will be the end of Germany.
    They lost the war, and is what is going on in Germany today the end of Germany ?

    When God saw what wrong humans did, immediately He took action which would bring about righteous conditions mentioned in His first prophecy of Genesis 3:15 that He would provide a promised ' seed ' (offspring from mankind who proved to be Jesus) that would bring an end to bad conditions caused by the first humans. In other words, Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will undo all the damage Satan and Adam brought upon us, and mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' according to Revelation 22:2 for the healing of earth's nations.
    Even enemy death will be No more - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
     
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    Jesus recorded words at Matthew 13:34 tells us that without a parable ( illustration ) that he would Not speak to the crowds.
    The people who had questions about his illustrations would hang around for the answers.

    As far as the Revelation, which Jesus gave to the apostle John, it is recorded that Revelation is written in signs, so those 16 visions were recorded in very-vivid word pictures - Revelation 1:1. By comparing Revelation with other Bible books those 'signs' can be discerned today.
    - Daniel 12:4; Daniel 12:9
     
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