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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Segev Moran, Sep 29, 2016.

  1. Muffled

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    I believe my religion is God made and you clearly don't know what you are talking about.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    And so do billions of people worldwide, except they are found in many different religions and myriads of denominations.
     
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    The Source is more or less the Cosmos, everything came from the so called big bang, and everything there is was with the big bang. just like an egg hatching, we and everything else was already there waiting to become what it is today, it may have taken millions of years, but time doesn't exist within the Cosmos, so this is how I see what is called God.
     
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    We serve meatballs at some of our potluck dinners!
     
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  5. Segev Moran

    Segev Moran Well-Known Member

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    What about Job?
    And Noah?
    And Moses?
    And Jesus?

    And if none is Good, Who goes to heaven?
     
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    Yes, moral behavior. As even as mentioned at Hebrews 13:4
    However, there have been immoral people in the past that could have Not sinned against God's spirit - Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 2:5
    Sinning against God's spirit today could include Not obeying Jesus' instruction at Matthew 24:14 when one has the knowledge to do so.
     
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    What about Jesus' resume ? -> John 13:34-35 to have self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus had.
    Jesus was neutral in the affairs of the world, and he taught to lay down the sword - Matthew 26:52; Revelation 13:10
    Jesus 'Sermon on the Mount ' still makes people think.
    Jesus never charged for his teachings. The only time Jesus 'passed the plate', so to speak, was when Jesus fed the crowds with bread and fish.
    So, just because people (especially false clergy) often teach their own religious agenda (often political) as being Jesus' agenda, does Not make the teachings of Jesus as wrong, but makes the false teachers as wrong.
     
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    Where in the teachings of Jesus do we find Jesus teaching violence ?
    - Matthew 26:52; Revelation 13:10; John 13:34-35
    The modern-day monstrosity called ' Christendom ' does Not teach the teachings of Jesus, but their own religious traditions - Matthew 15:9
    Jesus' teachings have brought a ' sword ' because counterfeit Christians in the ' name of Christ ' teach falsehoods about Jesus' teachings.
     
  9. URAVIP2ME

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    ... and how did the ' Big Bang ' originate ?
    According to Isaiah 40:26 God supplied the abundantly needed dynamic energy (His Power & Strength) to create the material realm of existence.
     
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    Good question ^above^ because Jesus went to heaven and did Not want to be called good (in the absolute sense)- John 3:13; Hebrews 9:24
    ALL who died before Jesus' died can have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection back to life on Earth. - Acts of the Apostles 2:34
    Starting with Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth the majority of people will have the same opportunity to live forever on Earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall. That is why Jesus said the humble meek will inherit Earth - Matthew 5:5
    Jesus will fulfill God's promise to father Abraham that ALL families and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed - Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18
    Blessed with the benefits of healing for earth's nations as mentioned at Revelation 22:2.
    So, basically mankind can welcome Job, Noah, Moses back to healthy physical life on Earth.
    Those who Jesus made a contract or covenant with starting with those of - Luke 22:28-30 - are those called to heaven.
    They are judged as righteous ones due to Jesus' ransom sacrifice - Revelation 2:10; Revelation 5:9-10; Revelation 20:6
    Who are resurrected to heaven is God's call and Not man's.
    The rest of us can remain here on Earth forever enjoying all the Pasta here on Earth.
    Moses never heard of Pizza. I wonder who will be the first one to introduce Pizza to Moses, Noah, Job, etc.?
     
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    The thing is, the big bang is as far as we can go back with our little minds, there was no god before the big bang, the concept of god came much later through our minds, because we cannot understand something doesn't mean we have to make a story up so as to have some understanding of that which we could never possibly know, to see this and to admit this is wisdom.
     
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    If he were neutral in the affairs in the world, why did he only wish to bring salvation to Jews and had to be guilt-tripped into helping gentiles?

    And I don't recall him telling the centurion (one of those who had to spell it out for Jesus that he should help) that he should give up the soldier gig.

    LOL. No, I guess demanding random people set up room and board and feed him and at least a dozen others isn't "charging".

    IIRC, he taught that he was bringing a "sword" to destroy families, neighborhoods, etc. Metaphorical violence is still violence, or else he'd say he was here to bring peace and siblinghood to all. Also, IIRC, Revelation acts like world peace is a bad thing, which just goes to show just how preferable violence is in the bible.
     
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    No.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    "God'd spirit" is mentioned several times in the Tanakh, so it was very possible to sin against "God's spirit" prior to Jesus.
     
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    I Am not talking about interpretations of the scriptures...
    Rather the fundamental religion.
    Jesus does talk violently many times and at times he doesn't say it is a bad thing...

    Just a few I can come up with quickly...
    Mathew:
    5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
    3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    And many many more and much much worse than those...

    of course you can say its all metaphorical...
    But unfortunately, Many people intemperate it as a literal...

    If I am to say: All those who are tall, their legs will be torn of their body...

    Is this not a violent quote??
    It can metaphorically be interpenetrated in many ways, but the written word in its literal from is very violent.
    Besides that, Once you preach to someone that if he will not do your "bidding" or God's bidding of this argument sake, he will suffer harsh consequences, It is also a very violent thing to say!
    ESPECIALLY if you don't really know that its the truth!
     
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    Segev Moran Well-Known Member

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    Don't you find it abusive to say that No human is Good?
    Will you raise you kid telling him he is Bad? that he was born Bad? and he cannot be a Good person?
    Its a strong autosuggestion..
    If you tell someone he is not good enough times, he will actually start believing it and act accordingly...
    Sorry sir, I find your statement VERY abusive and I hope you'll find out eventually that there are Good people... People who care deeply for other Beings, Who fight for them and for their fair chance in life.

    Regards :)
     
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    Was there ' energy ' in existence before the BB ?_____ If so, then that ' energy ' came from _______?
    Jeremiah believed that powerful strength (aka energy) came from a Creator - Jeremiah 10:12; Jeremiah 27:5; Jeremiah 32:17
     
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    We don't know that, and you don't either, yes we can come up with all sorts of theories, but that doesn't make it so, can you admit that what you say cannot be proven ?.
     
  20. URAVIP2ME

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    Sure humans can be good, but Not in the 'absolute sense' as God is good, but in a 'relative sense' we can be good and righteous.
    People call the neighborly good Samaritan - Luke 10:30-37 - as being good because he behaved in a righteous way.

    We can tell a child what he is doing is bad ( throwing food on the floor ) but 'never' that the child is bad.
    So, why would a person raising a child tell him that he is bad when it is what he's doing is what is, or might be, bad?
    You are right, if they call a child as bad that could be a strong autosuggestion and out of harmony with Scripture.
    Sure there are good people 'in a relative sense' out there -> John 13:34-35
     
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