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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Segev Moran, Sep 29, 2016.

  1. Quintessence

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    Apologies for not seeing this sooner, @Segev Moran - busy weekend, busy start to the work week, and I think the notification of your response got lost. :sweat:


    Could you elaborate on what your understanding of the term "religious" is? I actually agree with this depending on how you are understanding that word. A "religious" claim can simply be a claim that is made with great passion, zeal, or conviction. Usually when one culture is wanting to assert its ideas over another culture, they have to be pretty darned religious about it, or convinced that their way is right and the other culture is doing it wrong. :D



    Yes or no, depending on your understanding of "religious." I suppose I can list some examples of things that some people consider "not religious" that I see my country preaching around the world, and you can decide whether or not you consider those to be "religious" instead: capitalism, democracy, human rights, environmentalism, feminism, and secularism come to mind. We seem to consider these "good" things that everyone else should be doing too and come up with all sorts of rationalizations for imposing these ideas on other cultures. Like I said, whether or not you consider those "religious" arguments or not depends on how you see that term.
     
  2. Muffled

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    I believe I never said anything about a pc belief in Jesus. Jesus either is saving you or He isn't. He certainly is saving me. Moral actions proceed from Jesus not from me.
     
  3. metis

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    I would suggest that moral actions must proceed from one who believes in Jesus and not just about Jesus.
     
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    Any thoughts about Matthew 12:33-34; Matthew 12:35-37 ?
     
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    I'm not sure we can say that of everyone's life in this world...

    What do you mean by the glory of earth?

    They can also take away! If I'm in the middle of the jungle fearful of whether a tiger (say) is stalking me, of the snakes and spiders around me, and seriously annoyed by all the midges and mosquitoes biting me (some of which may be passing on a nasty disease), I'm not sure those animals at least are adding to my enjoyment of life...

    That's not where I was going. What if the Creator is not the true God?

    Glad to hear it!

    I quite agree!
     
  6. meghanwaterlillies

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    there are way to many parallels. And to people and to us what's relative almost becomes "truth" hence worded as sheep then even so they say be different again but that also becomes a relative term for the "sheep" to ponder I guess like "change" (how true then?)? , which means they would have to deny certain truths in order to go along with what's relative at the "time". Thus some truth and lying. But I'm................
     
  7. meghanwaterlillies

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    Every time there is someone opening their mouth another is lying and sometimes they cant even see the hypocrisy or laugh at themselves. But as Jesus said in a kind of sarcasm wisdom is "justified" by all "her" children.
    However even so the books don't have it, those stated don't have all and it partially skips your attention to what it's really about and its mostly about ............
     
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  8. Segev Moran

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    Okay.. Kinda LoLing.. because i think you weren't sarcastic...
    Wow.. I find it really sad..
    Why do you think there are no good people?
     
  9. Segev Moran

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    Well.. when i say religious i mean that the source of the claim is based on scriptures.

    Take marriage for example...One of the religious arguments is that monogamist relations is the best thing for a culture...
    while the basis for that claim is of course the word of God / Jesus or the likes...

    While in practice, It might be that this is a better practice.. but I don't think there is a valid survey that can claim one way or another...
    I know couples married for years and are happy and live good life, I Know couples that are more "open" in their relations and live happy lives...

    I see it as something that is purely subjective.

    The more problematic aspect of this to my opinion.. is of course the ability to force a religious based culture on a population.
    I Live in Israel for example...
    Here, it's forbidden to open businesses on Sabath (not everywhere.. but a lot of places)...
    We have almost no public transportation...
    No public services work (besides emergency services)...

    I Can't see why there should be a restriction on someone based on beliefs.

    To go to the extreme, you can take an example of "woman's modesty" so there is a whole culture of limiting woman just in the name of religious claims.. I think this is mostly what I have issues when i say culture habits based on religious POV.
     
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    Just that it confirms the necessity of moral behavior. Do you read these any different?
     
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    Honestly, the best religion is pastafarianism.

    No really, hear me out.

    •nobody has ever killed anybody for their pastafarian beliefs.

    •Nobody has ever killed anybody in the name of pastafarianism.

    •It has made millions of people laugh.

    •It has made millions of people think.

    •Both pasta and meatballs are delicious.

    Find me another religion with that resume.
     
  12. Segev Moran

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    Lol... Actually.. there is one.. Called Jainism... Its Indian religion... Very peaceful and loving... It has zero violence or worship or any texts that call for any type of violence :) and it is an actual religion
     
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    Yeah, but what about the meatballs?
     
  14. Segev Moran

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    That's a good point.. a religion with no meatballs is no religion!
     
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    Clearly all religions ARE man-made. But I am curious about your idea of a "Source", can you describe what it is like?
     
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    You need oddballs for a religion. :p
     
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    When all of the lies are weeded out, there are no outward religions remaining.

    When one of the inward sees the day of the light and becomes awake, that is the day of mental wholeness. Many will keep their minds whole, many will be led astray. Many will stay honest, many will begin telling lies again.
     
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    Dudeism is pretty cool as well.

    http://dudeism.com/
     
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    I believe it because God said so.
     
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    I believe it can't save anyone from sin and might even invite gluttony.
     
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