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Featured Is my Religion Homophobic? In my Religion, we hate homosexuality and love homosexuals.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by questfortruth, Jan 24, 2021.

  1. Unveiled Artist

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    How does this relate to your OP and question and my analogy?
     
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    Being in love makes people happy, more sociable and agreable in general. Do you need peer-review material about that?
     
  3. questfortruth

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    It depends on the definitions of Love and Lust.
     
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    A step further? Hate child rape, love the child rapist.
     
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    If you hate homosexuality then you are by definition homophobic. Don’t like being called homophobic? Maybe don’t hate on homosexuality. Just a thought.

    If Christians spent more time actually demonstrating love that they claim to have for gay people, the world would be a better place and I’d have reason to believe Jesus would be proud of them. As it stands though. Ehh, I’m seeing a lot of people throwing stones. Apparently there are a lot of sinless people :shrug:
     
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    Sexual intercourse also makes people happier, less stressed and more sociable. It also helps a lot in pair bonding which in turrn makes stronger more united famillies and communities. That's why people who are in love almost always want to have sex with their partner.

    Of course that's not counting people who become obsessive of it and seeks its gratification over everything else, but the same can be said of anything.
     
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    Is my Religion Homophobic? In my Religion, we hate homosexuality and love homosexuals.

    IMO:

    IF Homophobic is defined as "hating homosexuality" THEN the "we" in your title is Homophobic (the people are)

    Religion does not equal the people who practice it. There can always be people in your Religion who do not hate homosexuality.

    IF your Religion is based on Jesus THEN it's Jesus who can tell whether or not your Religion is Homophobic

    Note: Each Religion is a Belief System (personal subjective faith). It's about the person's connection with God or Jesus
     
  8. KenS

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    i suppose we can create a situation to then tear it down.

    If the context is faith in Christ, God can free him rejection from his parents and taylor his gifts to that which glorifies the Savior in whom he has trusted.

    Sex, for God, isn't taboo since He created it. He also created love... but if man uses that love and expresses it as "love of money" -- then man has twisted its original intent.

    My point was simply that our children do wrong, we don't like the wrong they are doing (say make fun of another person), but we still love our children even as we teach them what is right.
     
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    That is what God did for King David and Saul who became Paul
     
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    I don't know how this relates to my comment, though. If a child loves art but depicts, to the parents, an inappropriate picture, when the parents reject the picture (the art), they reject their child because that child's picture-his creativity-is part of him. To reject one is to reject the other.

    The child could draw just about anything the parent deems inappropriate but it's not about the picture or act of drawing, but the intentions and passion that child has with his art.

    How can a parent love a child if he or she rejects the very thing that child believes makes him or her human?
     
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    I don't know you. I neither love nor hate you, to be blunt.

    I do find your worldview to be deeply concerning and damaging to people like me. I know from firsthand experience how harmful it is.
     
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    So why pick on coffee and TV? Presumably tea and the radio are also sinful? What's the position on kambucha?
     
  13. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Then please show how my private affairs with my lover of 27 years, whom I have nursed, and continue to provide care for, through a very severe case of Guillaine-Barre Syndrome, which resulted in 8 1/2 months in hospital. If I were not here to provide that care, where would come from? He has no living relatives -- so I guess it would fall to the state, to taxpayers, yes? Well, as it is, I do it, and I pay for it.

    For the record, that is what families do. I also have no real family (although I've just discovered people that I am related to but never knew in my over 70 years). So my lover and I are a family, and we are the only family each of us has.

    Or perhaps, @questfortruth, you believe (like Lady Bracknell, in George Bernard Shaw's The Importance of being Ernest), that "to lose one parent, Mr. Worthing may be regarded as misfortune. To lose both can be regarded as more like carelessness."
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    I gotta be honest -- I really do not like equating making love to mass murder. I think you provided @questfortruth something I wish you had not, because (s)he will happily accept that equivalence, as you can see above.
     
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    Having raised three children, I wouldn't approach it in that form.

    If my child is a prolific communicator and came home cussing, it isn't I would "reject" him because I rejected cussing... I would lovingly teach him how to be a better communicator without having to resort to using words that are not our customary mode of communication. (I would also ask where did he learn those words)

    If my child came home and drew an X-rated picture as an expert artist ... as you suggested... the first thing I would ask is "where did you see that picture before" and prosecute the person who showed him that picture and charge him for promoting pornography to a child. I wouldn't shower him with condemnation but rather lovingly point him in the right direction. Not "thou shalt not" but rather "why not do this instead".

    Now... if he was an expert artist, as a child, I would simply augment his capacity and certainly help him paint age appropriate pictures.

    As an adult, he could make his own decisions but as a child it is my honor to raise him up

    so I still don't see how that scenario could ever happen (though I think I answered it)
     
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    Accepting homosexuality promotes mental health in those who are homosexual. No 'positive role' is required any more than one is required for blue eyes or left handedness.
     
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  17. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    There is also likely some benefit, especially in early societies, in having some males stay behind with the women and children while most men went out for the hunt. And the best males for that would be younger brothers -- uncles to children and therefore part of the genetic signature of those children. And the evidence is very clear, the more older brothers a male has, the more likely it is that those younger males could end up gay -- and thus more likely to stay behind, while retaining the muscle strength of their brothers, that women and children do not have.

    In fact, a recent study shows that men with older brothers are 38% more likely to identify as gay.
     
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  18. Evangelicalhumanist

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    No, it does MOST DEFINITELY NOT. Trust me, there is no lust left in my relationship with my lover -- for all sorts of reasons including medical. But there is also no shortage of love, which is why we are still together, why I am still his sole caregiver.

    Your dogma is based on the ignorance of the distant past. Why is such ignorance so terribly important to religious thinking, tell me that?
     
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    It does have a lot to do with the parents morals, generation or age, and their bias/taboos.

    For example, if I were a parent (and I like art), I wouldn't question where my child got the picture from because art isn't about pornography (the child's isn't thinking pornography but many adults wouldn't see that). The intention to an artist isn't lust, but how the picture was created, the colors, shading, and beauty of the human body and so forth. So, with that in mind, I'd be more interested in my child's view as an artist more so than seeing naked people.

    But cussing isn't part of the scenario. Any parent would most likely have ill feelings of their child cursing and find a good way to communicate with their child. I'm not sure how cussing came into this though.

    If the child was an expert artist, that's even more reason to let him be creative in any fashion that his creativity lets him be. If the parent respected this child's passion, they would find interest in the child's intentions rather than on superficial things like a naked body.

    The child's age, let's say, is 13 and up.

    For me, it depends on the child's intentions and his "view" of art. If he came and said "look, mother, I drew this X because I saw it on television" that's one thing. If he said "look mother. I drew this... I love to draw... look at the colors and shape, do you like this?" that would be totally different.

    It also depends on one's culture but I believe if a parent really paid attention to their child, they'd accept what that child does and says in context of how the "child" connects to it not how the parent wants him to.

    In other words, there is reciprocity in parenthood.
     
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    Its not arbitrary. I chose to point out coffee, because it is a personal vice. Its a luxury which stresses your heart, makes you feel slightly more irritable later and if taken to excess makes you very irritable. It also interferes with your sleep cycle and is one of my favorite vices personally. But this is not allowed in the NT. A person's body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Anyone who destroys the temple "Him will God destroy." (1 Corinthians 3:17).

    So you see coffee is a sin, technically, and its a pertinent example of how I would be hypocritical to discount it merely because it was my own vice Thinking "Mine is such a tiny vice compared to Secret Chief's horrible Kombucha drinking! Such a small vice is coffee. What would God care? Its so tiny to God!....but that Kombucha is going to get Secret Chief in so much trouble with God! I must get Kombucha outlawed for his sake, because I care about Secret Chief!" In this case I'm fooling myself, because I don't hate the sin of coffee drinking. What I love is myself and find fault with Secret Chief in order to ignore my own fault, so I end up hating Secret Chief and through him, God.

    I'm trying to point how how ridiculous it would be for me to be concerned about laws against homosexuality if I'm not also pursuing laws against coffee production, alcohol, all sugars, all unnecessary luxuries, the sale of televisions, movies, video gaming cards, video game systems, yachts, bowling-balls, basket-balls, Dollar Tree Stores, Kombucha (your precious Kombucha), chocolate et all. Everything cool is in fact not helpful in pursuing the Christian life. Christians are meant to be constantly singing hymns, speaking virtuous reminders to one another and generally do-gooding. We aren't suppose to go to shopping malls. You shouldn't see us resting unless we're absolutely unable to move. We're supposed to be dead to ourselves. That's hating sin.
     
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