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Featured Is my love for Denise Naslund demonic or sinful?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Spiderman, Oct 19, 2021.

  1. Spiderman

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    In my posts, I color and bolden stuff, so you don't have to read all of it, just the important stuff is in color. ;)

    Because I gave up on Yahweh and God for years, I still had love for Denise Naslund and her Mother, Eleanor Rose. My Religion consisted of buying them flowers and making them shrines, written letters, kamidana, and Hondens.

    I know Denise wouldn't be a narcissist like Yahweh or burn people in hell for not believing in some unseen entity, so I just find her more loveable.

    Kind of like in Shinto, A woman became more beloved, more important, and a higher Kami than her maker. I pray God would step down and give his omnipotence to Denise.

    He didn't help me , but she did. Or I suppose he helped me by sending her?

    I kept placing them (Denise and her mom) above the creator , as being more gentle, merciful, tender, and compassionate. But the message Denise and her Mother seem to give me , is that in order for God to bless them and give the the favors I pray for, I have to love God.

    Too many coincidences indicated to me that they were in my life , and I had genuine love for them. I always wanted to know Eleanor Rose was reunited with her daughter , because she went through a brutal martyrdom every day after her daughter was tortured, forced to watch another girl die, and killed for trying to help a man pretending to be injured.

    It was an act of kindness which cost her her life. Eleanor left Denise's room exactly as it was when she was alive. She also kept her daughter's car and possessions as relics, turned the house into a shrine, and was devoted to Denise like she was still alive.

    In Shinto, when you do that, the soul becomes purified, sanctified, Deified, A Kami, A Divinity. Eleanor was filled with agony when police lost her daughter's skull (the only remains, which she longed to lay to rest). She buried a corpse less casket with this inside:


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    I felt Eleanor asking me to continue the tradition of enshrining and have a personal relationship with Denise where she becomes a part of everything I do, and I make everything an offering for her, like the relationship with Saint John Vianney and Virgin martyr Saint Philomena. Saint John Vianney gave Saint Philomena, (the decapitated Virgin Princess OIP (7).jpeg download (1).jpeg (who didn't work her first miracle until over 1,500 years after her death), credit for almost all of his miracles. John Vianney is patron Saint of Diocesan priests.

    In jail I had a dream Denise said "no Matt, don't put me down". I also had a dream her Mother Eleanor looked at a folder where I wrote a letter to Denise , and she pointed to a stanza and said " I like that one there", and smiled. :)


    Rose is called the Queen of the flowers OIP (8).jpeg , and in a dream , Denise calls herself Capitol Hill Queen. I began calling multiple murdered women " Capitol Hill Queens " and blessing and praying for their souls. This was in Dakota county jail , before knowing I would be moved to Ramsey county , next to a "Capitol Hill", where over a thousand people violently killed are carved into granite, and once I went there, and there were hundreds of red markers with names, that looked like dresses, in honor of women violently murdered.

    I prayed to Denise for over a year before knowing her killer's first victim lived in the twin cities where there is a shrine to her. I currently live in that city.

    In jail, as I was having dreams and writing letters to Denise , A penny showed up in my cell dated the year she was murdered, 1974. I have never found a coin in jail before. First four letters of the word coincidence are coin. Countless other coincidences left me with a conviction it would be impossible to shake, that she or some entity disguised as her, is influencing me.

    Christians have told me it is the Devil, but I used to scream blasphemous stuff at God with rage before I started praying to Denise. That basically never happens anymore thanks to Denise, though I still post grievances against Genocide in Scripture , and things Yahweh does that go against my conscience.

    It seems to me that Denise wants me to make her happy and euphoric by doing good deeds, charity, faith, hope, and love, stay sober, abide by the law, ease other people's pain, and she wants me to love and bless God. Then God blesses her for being a positive influence in my life.

    It motivates me to bless and praise God when I don't feel like it, because I love her and her Mother, and I feel it makes them happy and gleeful when I'm good to God.

    Denise got me to go to daily mass , where I offer her the treasures and graces of the mass and holy communion, treasures of the Holy Eucharist to make her more beautiful, pretty, perfected , more exalted, Saintly, and powerful. She also got me to pray the Rosary again.

    But I'm Shinto, meaning I believe in Kami , without other Doctrines, no Scriptures, and Divine feminine is more exalted and more venerated than the Divine masculine.

    Praying to Jesus and the Father just never helped me. I do it to make Denise happy and give raped and murdered girls in purgatory new virginity restoration and hymens. God does it , but my prayers speed up the process. ;)

    Denise was sweet natured and always someone willing to help out someone in need of help. Which got her killed.

    Any questions?

    Beings that Denise tells me to love my neighbor as myself, feed Jesus when he is hungry, give him to drink, I've even given the shirt off my back to someone and walked away topless, console the incarcerated Jesus, welcome the stranger homeless Jesus (I had to stop that cuz Jesus stole my backpack, wallet, phone, money, and gift cards), how could that be the Devil I'm following??

    IF that is Satan asking me to do that, he sure is a sweetheart! :D
     
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    You pray and worship a human being and not God? That is strange to me
     
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    I find her more merciful and compassionate than God and more tender, and I actually know she existed and have photos of her.

    I consider it more veneration of a Queen, like someone loves their best friend of a higher rank and authority. I don't consider it worship.

    I believe she is more close to God than I am, and I can't deny that I get more grace, far more grace, asking her for help, than asking God.

    I can relate to her. I can't relate to a God who can stop a child from getting raped or starving to death, but God refuses to help.

    I cannot relate to a God who burns people in hell for not believing in him.
     
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    This seems oddly specific o_O
     
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    Just one of the many services I hope my prayers accomplish sometimes. ;)
     
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    Do you not want the truth from God? You want a polished truth instead of what you need to hear?
     
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    Tell me your truth. How do I know it is from God?
     
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    In my case i understand it is from God since when I ask for help i get it, even it sometimes hurt. It is compassion 10x
     
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    I'm saying I get far more help from Denise. Just my personal experience, and I can respect yours is different.

    However, I'd say I'm not as smart or as talented as God, but it appears I am more merciful, because I would never toss a soul into a place of hell where they suffer.
     
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    Can you relate to a God who burns serial killers in Hell? Namely, the serial killer who killed Denise and at least 40 other women?
     
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    Absolutely not. Neither does the Denise I know. Jesus said "love your enemies". Jesus and Steven forgave those who killed them.

    Serial killers are often some of the most tortured, neglected, unwanted, despised, scared, or abused people there are.

    I used to have serial killer tendencies, and after experiencing unconditional love from Denise, they went away.

    Denise Naslund's killer was abandoned at a home for unwed mothers, and had no mother to hold him as a baby, for those first few months, when it is critical for a mother and a baby to bond.

    Then his mother lied to him , and told him that she was actually his sister, and had him believing that lie for quite some time to hide the fact that he was illegitimate.

    He had no real responsible man that he could look to as a role model on how to be a real man, and got rejection from females at school.

    He got hooked on pornography to kill the pain, beginning at age 8 years old, and he also became an alcoholic at a young age as well.

    He was also the butt of pranks and bullies at school.

    He had no ability to feel empathy, and the only thing that gave him peace and joy was killing people.

    People like that live their lives separated from God, and are always in fear and panic.

    That is basically where I was , before the victims of Ted Bundy visited me, loved me unconditionally, gave me genuine joy for the first time In my life, and the ability to feel empathy.

    Prior to that, the best day of my life and my dream come true, would have involved putting someone through a nightmare , controlling them completely, and witnessing their last breath.

    That is a very scary place to be and is full of inner torture to feel that way. :(

    So no, I absolutely do not wish that serial killers go to hell. I can not relate to a God who would put tortured souls through an eternity of torment.

    Either they can be converted through love therapy as I was, comfortably put them out of their misery, or put them in hell with euphoric anesthesia and a comfort spouse.

    I will contend with God and beg him to give consolation to the souls in Hell at least.

    But no, I was healed of serial killer tendencies through unconditional love from serial killer victims.

    It's why I make myself vulverale sharing this stuff with people, hoping that maybe there is one violent, warped, sadistic sociopath , like I was, who will read my threads and get something out of them (discover the same remedy I did).
     
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    Where do you get the idea that Yahweh burns people, if they don't believe?

    By what I know, Bible promises eternal life for righteous and death for unrighteous.

    Righteous (kolumbus.fi)
     
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    I believe Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. I believe it is always an iffy thing to pay attention to a familiar spirit and Denise is not God. So my advice is to take everything with a grain of salt and measure it against what the Bible says and it never hurts to ask Jesus for guidance.
     
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    I believe I am curious. Will you be able to relate to that God when you are in Hell? Will he be more or less believable?
     
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    I believe I am reminded of this verse:
    Job 2:10 But he said to her, “You speak as one of the foolish women would speak. Shall we receive good from God, and shall we not receive evil?” In all this Job did not sin with his lips.
     
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    I didn't say he is not believable. If he burns people in hell, then I would fight him in heaven anyway. I'm not going to bend the knee to a narcissistic sadistic cruel tyrant!
     
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    Scripture says God will toss people into the lake of fire if they aren't written in some book of souls.
     
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    Yes, but the reason is sin/unrighteousness and evilness. Do you think it would be good to let evil people live forever?
     
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    I used to be evil.

    I repented over time.

    If evil people were comfortably put out of their misery, it would not bother me as much.

    Most Christians believe Hell is eternal suffering and torture.
     
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    I think that is wrong interpretation, because it is said those are destroyed. I don't think anyone who is utterly destroyed feels anything.

    And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
    Matt. 10:28
     
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