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Featured Is Materialism a Sin?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Nakosis, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:43 PM.

  1. Nakosis

    Nakosis Time Efficient Lollygagger
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    “Our God is a consuming fire. He consumes pride, lust, materialism, and other sin.” Leonard Ravenhill

     
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  2. Seeker of White Light

    Seeker of White Light Think before you speak....so stay silent.

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    Speaking only from my understanding.

    Materialism in it self is no sin, what is important (in spiritual lifestyle) is to be detatched to any materiallistic objects, and spend time focusing on the spiritual aspects of life.

    To call it a sin, is maybe pulling it to far :) but it can become an obstical in life of a spiritual person.
     
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  3. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    I like material things.
    To each his own.
     
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  4. Orbit

    Orbit I'm a planet

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    Dialectical materialism?
     
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    Do you mean the belief that all things are material, or the excess concern with material things like accumulating wealth, clothing, belongings, etc.?
     
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  6. Nakosis

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    Either.
     
  7. exchemist

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    First, a definition of materialism is needed. This is a much abused term. Who the hell is this Ravenhill person, anyway? Do we care what he says?
     
  8. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
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    materialism

    NOUN

    1. a tendency to consider material possessions and physical comfort as more important than spiritual values.

    Is Materialism a Sin?

    Well if we consider sin to be behavior and temptations that takes us further from our spiritual goal, then I would answer 'Yes'.
     
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    It depends on how you define materialism. IMV

    I view the sin of materialism when things have you instead of you having things. Another viewpoint is when you try to have the material answer a spiritual need.
     
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  10. Kooky

    Kooky Freedom from Sanity

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    Not to be confused with delectable materialism!
     
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    No. Civilisation needs both the material and spiritual to be in proper balance. At the moment it is not. We need to walk the spiritual path with practical feet.
     
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    Leonard Ravenhill - Wikipedia

    Leonard Ravenhill's association with Last Days Ministries is telling, because I am familiar with Keith Green's music and the biography about him No Compromise. I feel like it gives me some sense of who this quotation is from.

    View materialism as an extreme.

    Keith Greene's music is at the opposite extreme. At one time Greene was giving away his music for free in order to get people to hear his message. He produced it and distributed it to Christian music shops and had them charge 0 dollars, but he didn't need to do so as he was already popular (at least according to what the book said about him).

    Keith Green lives his life like Icarus. Keith Green dies in a plane crash, but that is not what I am talking about. He's trying to be extremely close to God, to be like Elijah or Moses. He drives himself to extremes, melts himself. He believes all the stories by people who pretend like they hear God constantly and who always talk about personal miracles on stage. His music is doleful and introspective and guilt ridden. He hates being a human being and is constantly singing about his own weakness and failure to do what God wants him to, to speak out and reach out and to believe and to keep his love hot.

    I've known a lot of people like him and have been in the same condition before, in my teens and twenties. I have friends like him on FB. If he were alive I might advise him to read several verses about being a human and being content, not to go towards extremes.

    Materialism is an extreme, and few people are pure materialists. Most are somewhat soulful, think about other things. There is some truth to Maslowe's Hierarchy of Needs.
     
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    Yes it's a sin. There's a reason Jesus said it's very hard for a rich man to enter God's kingdom.
     
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    Do you see it more about greed than philosophy?

    The philosophy of materialism is basically there is no spiritualism/supernaturalism, only materialism.

    Is rejecting the spiritual/supernatural/divine a sin?
     
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    Land
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    Whats not to like
     
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    I think what Jesus was referring to is putting material things above God in your life. It's not that they are wrong in themselves. Stuff is just stuff but we should not love it more than people or God.
     
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    Yes but that is only one definition of it. Why don't you quote them all, to give a proper impression of the importance of saying which one is meant?

    To show you what I am talking about, here is is the Wiki article on materialism: Materialism - Wikipedia

    This is a philosophical position: nothing to do with obsessing about a new sofa or flat-screen TV.
     
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  18. mikkel_the_dane

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    It depends on how you do materialism in connection with other claims.
     
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  19. George-ananda

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    I was using the definition intended in the OP quote. That is what this discussion is supposed to be about.
     
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    How do you know? @Nakosis might have been thinking of the other definition when starting the thread.

    Or of the one being definition being used to mount a surreptitious attack on the other.;)
     
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