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Is luke 16:19-31 a parable and literal?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Frank Goad, Jan 13, 2019.

  1. Frank Goad

    Frank Goad Active Member

    Dec 13, 2018
    Officially methodist.But goes back and forth between the idea of the soul with methodism and jehovah's witness.
  2. TheresOnlyNow

    TheresOnlyNow The Mind Is Everything. U R What U Think

    Dec 23, 2018
    Eclectic Christian
    Many an atheist I've spoken with over the years refer to these parables of torment and suffering for those who perish without the Son. Particularly as those atheists are that which is described as having that fate.

    If we recall the scripture that informs God knew those who would come to the Son before the creation of this world, we have to also concede that God also knew those who would not.

    Does then the fixture within the Salvation protocol imply the world is to love God or burn for eternity?
    Suffering eternally for what is not an eternal transgression(s).

    Is then the parables mentioned part of the equation to sound a message, convert or suffer?
    And what of the scripture that tells us of the fate of ourselves when this body dies?
    The body returns to the dust of the earth and the soul unto the Father from whence it came.
    There are no addendum in that passage. No other path that informs, the fallen soul shall enter the fires. Rather, the soul , the breath of God, shall return to God.

    I don't believe in the fire and brimstone Hell. I believe the soul that is within the "tare" now returns to the source from whence it sprang.
    That which we call God and comport to fit our image and likeness of a male father deity is outside that which human sense can perceive. It is greater than we.
    However, our fixture in this world as flesh, bone, and passion, necessarily reaches for something relative to hold as source. And that conveniently loves us above all else. The transference of paternal lineage moves beyond our own fleshly family and incorporates one that is unseen and yet shall nurture and care for us after this world.
    Because deep down the "I" is afraid to be alone.

    Are those parables literal? They are in as much as self-perception. Are "you" the wheat? Or are you the tare?

    We cannot lie to ourselves.
  3. Fool

    Fool ALL in all
    Premium Member

    Jan 12, 2016
    Light Impressed with Love

    notice in matthew 13:24-29 only when men are asleep can the tares be sown. on the day of harvest, the tares are harvested with the wheat but the tares are burned up. this planet is being sown with good and bad thoughts, positive and negative reincarnations.

    also note, that the richman and abraham can speak to one another without shouting and see one another.. so the divide between them is a fine line but also a great gulf.
  4. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

    Aug 27, 2013
    Catholic-- liberal & ecumenical
    In the 2nd century, if my memory is correct, the Church debated whether the parables were based on real events or were myths meant to teach lessons, and the decision was that it didn't make a difference as it's the teachings that are paramount.
  5. 1213

    1213 Well-Known Member

    Dec 13, 2017
    Disciple of Jesus
    I think it is not parable, but it is not also not necessary what has happened. I think it just tells about how things will be in the end and that people would not listen, even if someone would rise from the death.