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Featured Is "logic" the new word of the decade?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by ChristineM, Jan 8, 2021.

  1. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Over a couple of years i have seen an increased use of the words "logic" or "logical" to counter argument againsts a given religious belief. It never works out that way as fairly simple logical argument calls the original claim of logic into question.

    Today, as i write this there are two threads in New Posts that used the the word "logic" or "logical" in their title, both are arguments for a particular belief but not from logic.

    On examining the OPs it seems the author's don't really have much understanding of logic but use the word as a fence to protect their belief.

    I am far more familiar with computer logic than philosophical logic but in either case i would like to say that "logic" or "logical" are not replacement words for "i believe" but are precise tool of reasoning using strict principles of validity.
     
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    Logic has become "cool" and "nerd" is no longer a fighting word.
    Consequently, in their greed, believers have to claim that domain also, even so they are literally the opposite of logical.
     
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  3. Subduction Zone

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    Far too often when a person says "It's logical" they only mean that it sounds good to them. Especially when religion is involved. And a theist trying to make a logical argument is often very sad. They usually cannot even make a consistent argument and the few times they do that their arguments are based on false or questionable premises.
     
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    Didn't Spock make logic cool?
     
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  5. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    My history with words has lead me to rely on word definitions to ensure correct meaning and context. The misuse/redefinition of a word to big up a personal ego gets me so frustrated and often confused.
     
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  6. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Sure did, but not i believe

    Live long and prosper
     
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  7. Israel Khan

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    I have noticed that there has been a big rise in the use of the word "logic" among Salafist muslim apologists as a counter to Christianity and Atheism, as they are promoting their religion as the only logical way to determine how the universe started and that any logical person would come to the conclusion that Allah is the true God. They often focus on scientific miracles and the ontological argument.
     
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    Yes, but Spock was only appreciated by nerds for at least a generation.
     
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    Nerd reporting for duty, Doctor
     
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  10. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    My comment was triggered by the misuse of the word by Baha'is and on the fringes Christians on this forum but Muslim to will be just as free with misusing words to embolden their belief
     
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    I've heard atheists say 'atheism is the most logical position', and theists say 'theism is the most logical position'. That in itself should render the word useless. I think it's been used incorrectly for a long time. I'd like to see it listed among the forum's curse words here so we wouldn't have to tolerate it. (Exaggeration for effect) There are other poor arguments, and one that particularly gets my goat is the "if you only studied the books harder'. There are lists of false arguments out there. maybe we should develop one.
     
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  12. Israel Khan

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    Well all of them debate each other so they would naturally develop arguments to counter each other's polemics, so they actually grow together argument wise. So it makes sense that they are all mentioning logic, especially in a era where they are being attacked for being illogical.
     
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  13. ChristineM

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    A logical solution good sir
     
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    You're so logical. Logically speaking, this might be the logical beginning to a logical solution.

    (Reminds me of ranchers or certain other occupations where I grew up where 'f......g' was the most common adjective in oral speech.)
     
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  15. Revoltingest

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    In a decade on RF, I've noticed a commonly
    used definition of "logic":
    I know I am right, & that you are wrong.

    Rarely does anyone employ statements of premises,
    & using logic steps to reason conclusions from them.
     
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  16. Secret Chief

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    The word has essentially got two uses it seems to me -
    1. A branch of Western analytic philosophy: a particular method of "analysing the patterns of reasoning by which a conclusion is properly drawn from a set of premises, without reference to meaning or context."
    2. Everyday usage: a synonym of reasonable, sensible, rational, showing good judgment.
     
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  17. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    Just the word, not the tool itself.
     
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  18. ChristineM

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    And my gripe is with #2, which often contradicts #1
     
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    Yes, it's those bloody dictionaries again!
    Do you mean your gripe is just with the use of #2, or the fact there are two meanings?
     
  20. ChristineM

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    Where i grew up that was one of several common adjectives, the Lancashire dialect is great for inserting swear words.
     
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