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Featured Is Jesus coming between 2030 and 2033?

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Teritos, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:53 PM.

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  1. Trailblazer

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    Those are not about the same man Jesus returning.
    There is not one single verse in the New Testament wherein Jesus says He is coming back to earth
    Sorry to dash your hopes if you were waiting.

    Luke 12:40 You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

    Jesus was not referring to Himself as the Son of Man who would come, as I proved on this thread:

    Who is the Son of man who will come in the clouds of heaven?
     
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    That is your opinion.

    You do not know what happens after leaving your body, at best we can believe from hearsay, not even that is the case here...just reading
    Next important point is, you have no clue about your own life (after death), let alone about Jesus' life or God His Plan. Just your opinion, right?
     
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    1) Do you really believe that God will restrict Himself to some verses written down by humans a few thousand years ago?
    2) That 1 verse is not even proof at all, I can read it in a few other ways, with totally different outcome
    3) Then finally, when your boss gives you work to do, and you finish, you never get new work?
    Bottom line, I do not even go there, to claim to know about Jesus His Work, and what it meant. I rather stick to solving my own little stuff
     
  4. Trailblazer

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    The same man Jesus is not coming back to earth at all unless (a) Jesus lied, or (b) the Bible is in error; and if the Bible is in error, why should we believe anything else the Bible says?

    John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

    John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
    Matthew 24:3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

    When Christ returned it signaled the end if an age, as Jesus said, not the end of the world.
     
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    Sai Baba taught us a very valuable lesson in this context:
    He asked us: "Do you know how to make God laugh?"
    We had no clue of course, so Sai Baba told us the answer
    "Tell Him (God) your plan"

    Now, you are telling us (and God) about God's Plan
    God must have one of His best laughs ever I think:D
     
  6. Trailblazer

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    I was not referring to what happens after l leave my body. I was only referring to what is in the Bible.
    Jesus' life and God's Plan are in the Bible.
     
  7. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Caritas Christi Urget Nos
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    I already pointed out the context of those verses.

    End of the ages/end of ages/end of days/end of time are all terms for the Eschaton.
     
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    No, I absolutely do not think that God would restrict Himself to some verses written down by humans a few thousand years ago. Of course that verse is not proof, but it ties in with what happened in the age we live in, which is the proof that Jesus is not returning -- ever.
    There is no reason to think there was any more work for Jesus to do, so why believe that? Just because we want to? The Bible could not be any more explicit. Nowhere in the NT does Jesus say He has "more work" to do. The Christian belief that Jesus was going to return to earth someday came about as a result of a complete misunderstanding of the Bible.

    John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

    John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
     
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    Believe whatever you want to believe. There is no point arguing with Christians because they believe they know what the Bible means and they are not going to stop waiting for Jesus to return because they want Jesus to return.
    It is all psychological. It does not matter what is in the Bible.

    All I do anymore is present the verses as evidence because I feel an obligation to set the record straight.
     
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    Yes, I did not see your sermons about it until after I posted.

    Had I seen them I would not have bothered posting them.

    But hey, you did get another chance be feel superior whilst being condescending.

    So it worked out really well for you...
     
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    Saint Frankenstein Caritas Christi Urget Nos
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    Excuse you, but there's no need for rudeness. There's simply no reason for a Christian to care what the Baha'i religion says about it, just like we reject what Muslims say about it (and to be fair, like how Jews reject what Christians say). We have our traditions, scriptures and beliefs that have existed for centuries. What's more, our scripture warns us specifically to reject anything someone comes along preaching that is at odds with the faith taught by the Apostles. So that rules out any sect or cult leaders coming along and teaching foreign doctrines. We view those people as false teachers. You can believe what you please, as well.
     
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    It is a false prophet as Jesus said no one knows the hour or day except for the Father, and that it shall come unexpected like a thief in the night.
     
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    There is nothing rude about what I said. I was just stating what I have observed for the over eight years that I have been posting to Christians on various forums.

    Trailblazer said: There is no point arguing with Christians because they believe they know what the Bible means and they are not going to stop waiting for Jesus to return because they want Jesus to return.

    That was a true statement.

    And there is no reason for a Baha'i to care about what Christians believe since we have the Revelation of Baha'u'llah, although we do care about what the Bible says.
     
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    Nobody except the Father knew when that verse was written.
     
  16. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg One Planet One People Please
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    Or what you seem to think it says, that is life and that is Faith.

    That has not changed in any age.

    Regards Tony
     
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    The salient issue which I have been telling Christians for years is the Bible does not SAY anything.
    Like any book, it needs to be read and interpreted and meanings are assigned to the words as we read them.
    If the Bible talked and said things we would not have to read it and interpret it and in that case all Christians would agree.
    It is only ego that says "the Bible says" because what people are really saying is that they know what the Bible means.
    I love logic. :)
     
  18. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    I begin with this statement in your post: "From the first sin of Adam to the resurrection of Jesus is 4000 years."

    Since that statement is totally meaningless in the context of modern knowledge of human history, no other logical statements may be derived from it.

    So, "no."
     
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    Saint Frankenstein Caritas Christi Urget Nos
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    It has nothing to do with what we want but everything to do with what the faith has taught for centuries. If we went along with you, we wouldn't be Christians. But that's your plan, right?

    And of course you care about what Christians believed because you wish to convert us, especially as a small religion with universal ambition.
     
  20. Regiomontanus

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    "Throughout history the Orthodox Church has steadfastly insisted on the reality of the Second Coming of Christ as a settled belief, but granted liberty on the question of when it will occur. In the last chapter of Revelation, Jesus speaks the words, "I am coming quickly" three different times (Rev, 2:21:7, 12, 20). His coming will occur on a day, at an hour when it is not expected. The Apostle John, the author of Revelation, concludes his book with a warning:

    "For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book" (Rev. 22.18, 19).

    To confess the return of Christ is to stand squarely within the apostolic tradition, To add "when" to the promise of His coming is warned against in the Scriptures. As members of the Bride of Christ, let us attend instead to being ready."

    The Second Coming of Christ
     
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