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Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by paarsurrey, Mar 14, 2019.

  1. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

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    "I believe he meant it as a literal example ... something factual to illustrate his point about something vaguely spiritual."
    I agree with one here.
    The first part of the metal copper having become metal gold, has to be literal only then the other part would be meaningful.

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  2. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

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    Thanks for pointing it out to me. I have corrected it in my post/s, please.

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  3. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg A World Citizen
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    It means we do not yet know and that we are fallible. It is for us to discover.

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  4. paarsurrey

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    I agree to what I have colored in magenta, please.
    Do other Bahai people also believe Bahaullah to be a fallible man, please?

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  5. Vinayaka

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    I think it just shows how poor the understanding of science was at that time, and in that place. Religious leaders have been known not to be up on their science. Not just religious leaders, but anyone not privy to current knowledge. Three hundred years ago, would anyone have predicted flight? There was a lot of superstition. Now we know that metals don't spontaneously change. Back then, people thought incorrectly about all sorts of things. Of course, in most situations, later followers just easily admit that it was wrong. In this case that's difficult.
     
  6. paarsurrey

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    Thanks for this information.
    Bahaullah did make a mistake to use this analogy. Right, please?
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    Analogies are always imperfect. He was physically wrong: copper metal does not convert to gold metal. If, instead, he was talking metaphorically, then it may be the case that a base person (copper) could convert to a more sophisticated (gold) person.
     
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    No, that is why I identify as liberal
     
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  9. paarsurrey

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    I can understand that for the Bahaism people it becomes difficult to admit that Bahaullah was wrong here and he did make a mistake, as this quote is from Kitab-i-Iqan or the Book of Certitude, their most authentic book.

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    Thanks friend danieldemol .

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  11. Vinayaka

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    In my view it shouldn't be hard at all. But then again, I could be wrong. (See what i did there?)
     
  12. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg A World Citizen
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    Personally I have no wish to.

    I can not say what tye future may find. I just know there is a wisdom in those words far beyond our current understandings.

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    Tony Bristow-Stagg A World Citizen
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    "Whoso doubteth Our power, let him ask the Lord his God, that He may disclose unto him the secret, and assure him of its truth."

    No.

    Regards Tony.
     
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  14. InvestigateTruth

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    It can. I already gave a link to wikipedia about transmutation. Anyone with some knowledge of chemistry would know it is possible. It is done through a nuclear process. It is expensive though. It will be more costly than the gold itself. But it is possible, and it is done! Just Google it, and you will know.
     
  15. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    No.

    That we do not yet understand is the point.

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    Big bang may be a good example. I quote wiki:

    The Big Bang is thought to be the origin of the hydrogen (including all deuterium) and helium in the universe.

    So, which one is easier to happen? Gold come to existence from hydrogen and helium, or gold from copper?
    At the moment big bang happened even atoms did not exist.
     
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  17. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg A World Citizen
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    I am also wrong often, that is very easy to admit.

    Whereas the Bab and Baha'u'llah, Muhammad and all the Mesengers are not and can not be wrong.

    Regards Tony
     
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  18. Vinayaka

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    But not about this particular topic, obviously.
     
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  19. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    What is obvious to some, is not to others.

    That is life.

    Regards Tony
     
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    I don't know my friend...

    There is a copper alloy which is very similar in appearance to gold.

    Maybe that's a way to approach it?
     
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