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Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by paarsurrey, Mar 14, 2019.

  1. Looncall

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    Yes, nucleosynthesis in supernova stars, like all the heavy elements.
     
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    Well, many heavy elements *do* form from supernova or just before. Anything less than iron tends to be prior to the supernova in the cores of the stars, while elements beyond iron require the more exotic environments or supernova or more.

    That said, it appears that many of the very heavy elements (like gold and platinum) come from colliding neutron stars as opposed to supernova explosions, though.

    All the Gold in the Universe Could Come From the Collisions of Neutron Stars | Science | Smithsonian
     
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    Very interesting, thanks very much for this.

    In any case the religious stuff is bosh.
     
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  4. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg Ocean Immersion
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    I note it was said it "appears" this is where heavy elements come from, thus is this still scientific theory, or proven?

    I would suggest we can not yet debunk what Baha'u'llah has said and also we do not have to limit what was said to events relating to this planet.

    Regards Tony
     
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    We were able to measure the amount of gold produced. And that corresponds, given how many of these events happen, to how much gold we see in the universe.
     
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  6. Vinayaka

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    'We' can debunk your prophet any time 'we' want to. Just because you can't doesn't mean 'we' can't.
     
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  7. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg Ocean Immersion
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    It may appear on the surface that you, or anyone can. :)

    That comment goes in support of all Messengers and a history where man has rejected their knowledge, in favor of their own. Personally I prefer to look deeper into trying to understand what is being said, as I see them, one and all, as the source of all knowledge.

    Regards Tony
     
  8. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    Measuring the amount and knowing how it is formed, is quite different.

    Thus the question was do we yet know how gold is formed?

    I did not do science above basic at school, so I do like to know more on these subjects, as the more I find, the more I can reconcile what is being said by Baha'u'llah.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Yes, it is primarily a matter of neutron capture and then radioactive decay.
     
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  10. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    Do you see this article as being the current accurate thought;

    MPA :: Cosmic Crashes Forging Gold

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  11. Looncall

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    Yawn. Just another religious scam. Why not try reality? You might like it.
     
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  12. Vinayaka

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    Can you point me to the part of the article that demonstrates copper being turned to gold?
     
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    I skimmed it, but it looks accurate.
     
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  14. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    That was not the purpose of that article. I wanted to study what science currently knows and if it is theory or known fact. I see at this time it is an accepted theory.

    Regards Tony
     
  15. Vinayaka

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    I was just curious as to whether your mind had changed. I still can't tell. So is this accepted theory also accepted by you? If so, it would mean your mind has been changed by science.
     
  16. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    I have stated in this thread that the Spiritual Metephor is the best thing that can come from what Baha'u'llah has said, that is a change of heart.

    I also know that there is a material aspect to what Baha'u'llah has written and know also in that case, it will also be found to be correct. That will become apparent in time.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Thanks. So you're maintaining that science will eventually prove that copper, in liquid form, (which doesn't exist) will change to gold in a period of 70 years, thus confirming Baha'u'llah's statement, even though it goes totally against all known science to date, and could easily be tested by scientists willing to do such a test.

    That is what I thought your answer would be. Thanks.
     
  18. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    No translation may be an issue, so I do not hold to each english word.

    'Copper in its own Mine' is the english translation. What is copper in its own mine? If I think about it with the link you provided, copper in its own mine is combined with many other minerals and has to be extracted.

    With the scientific link the answer is still being formed and considered and the combination of copper and gold has not been explored.

    Thus at this time I have no answer, but have an open mind as to what will be found.

    I do not need to pursue it in much more detail at this time, as it is not my main line of interest, I am currently concentrating on the Oneness of Humanity and of God and trying to live a life that reflects this.

    Regards Tony
     
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    #199 Vinayaka, Mar 19, 2019
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    This is not right
    God Supported Moses with 9 signs as miracles and they are against Nature
    Jesus was able to revive dead by God Will
    Ibrahim Was Saved from burning by the fire when thrown into it by the tyrant ruler
    all these are witnessed historical stories and are against nature
     
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