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Featured Is it too late to “seek the LORD” (Revelation 22:11)

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by 2ndpillar, Mar 18, 2018.

  1. 2ndpillar

    2ndpillar Well-Known Member

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    Is the “time near” (Rev 22:11), when it is too late to seek the LORD? Should “the one who does wrong, still do wrong”, and the “one who is righteous, still practice righteousness? It appears that the proud and haughty are becoming more prideful and haughtier still. (Psalms 81:12) & (Jude 1:18) Is the time of recompense upon us?

    New American Standard Bible Jude 1:18
    that they were saying to you, "In the last time there will be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts."

    New American Standard Bible Revelation 22:11
    "Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is righteous, still practice righteousness; and the one who is holy, still keep himself holy."

    New American Standard Bible Psalms 81:12
    "So I gave them over to the stubbornness of their heart, To walk in their own devices.

    New American Standard Bible Isaiah 55:7
    Let the wicked forsake his way And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return to the LORD, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon.
     
  2. savagewind

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    I think that the time of recompense is always present.

    Maybe there are no holy ones to take the Earth's inhabitants to God's will be done. So, then let them be what they will be.
     
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    God is not 'somewhere else' that God would require seeking. All one has to do is acknowledge God, and God is 'present' to them. There is no need to make it more difficult just to enable some religious delusion of exclusivity.
     
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    It's been "near" for the past 2000 years hasn't it...

    But seriously, of course it is because each of us is mortal and we don't have an infinite amount of time. In this way every being inhabits their very own 'end times' and always has done. Better get a move on sorting it all out.
     
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    "It is only our concept of time that allows us to speak of 'Judgment Day' by that name. In reality, it is a summary court in perpetual session."
    --Franz Kafka
     
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    "I am with you always, even unto the end of the world."- Matthew
     
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    Phantasman Well-Known Member

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    Truth. This Aeon (physical) will burn out and die. Jesus taught of infinity Aeons. Spiritual not under the laws of imperfection. The body (flesh) cannot achieve it due to it's imperfection. Only the soul saved by the spirit (which is the mind) can achieve it.

    The perfect Savior said: "Come (you) from invisible things to the end of those that are visible, and the very emanation of Thought will reveal to you how faith in those things that are not visible was found in those that are visible, those that belong to Unbegotten Father. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear!- Wisdom (Sophia) of Jesus Christ

    The Father is full of grace (patience). No one who is deserving (of life) will be left behind.

    John:
    27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
    28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
    29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

    Gnosis retracts orthodox zealotry. Time is restrained to man, not to God.
     
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  8. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    What exactly is, "The time is near" for Christians?

    2000 + years into the future doesn't sound very near to me from the time the statement was allegedly made.
     
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    I agree. True Christianity is much closer to many Eastern religions than the catholic thought allows. Words can confuse. Spirit is spirit.

    "Names given to the worldly are very deceptive, for they divert our thoughts from what is correct to what is incorrect. Thus one who hears the word "God" does not perceive what is correct, but perceives what is incorrect. So also with "the Father" and "the Son" and "the Holy Spirit" and "life" and "light" and "resurrection" and "the Church (Ekklesia)" and all the rest - people do not perceive what is correct but they perceive what is incorrect, unless they have come to know what is correct. The names which are heard are in the world [...] deceive. If they were in the Aeon (eternal realm), they would at no time be used as names in the world. Nor were they set among worldly things. They have an end in the Aeon."- Gospel of Philip

    Though names can divide, we could see the same in spirit. It's not about the words, but the knowing. One see's realm while I see Aeon. Same knowledge, different word.
     
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    If I die on my way to the store today, I arrive at the same fate, nearer than most reading this. I would put more into ones own fate rather than waiting for a collective event.
     
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    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    That's how I would read it. It's a person's own life expectancy and not any return of a savior or anything like that.
     
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    Hosea 3:5 disagrees with you. "Afterward the sons of Israel will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king; and they will come trembling to the LORD and to HIs goodness in the last days." As for where the LORD is with respect to Israel and Ephraim, "I will go away and return to My place" (Hosea 5:14). It is not until after "two days" such as 2000 years, that "He will raise us up on the third day" (Hosea 7:2). With the LORD one day is as a 1000 years.

    Psalm 90:4 A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has ...
    ... One thousand years in your sight are but a single day
    that passes by, just like a night watch. ...
     
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    Is it too late to “seek the LORD” (Revelation 22:11)
    It is never to late to seek the Lord! In fact all you have to do is
    'turn around' He has been waiting for you.
    ronandcarol
     
  14. 2ndpillar

    2ndpillar Well-Known Member

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    I am sure you think you are "deserving (of life)", but God may have another opinion. He may have provided a narrow way (Mt 7:14), and you may have elected the "broad" "way" (Matthew 7:13). Two different destinations.
     
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    The OT and Revelations has distorted your view, Neither are "Gospel", which are the teachings of Christ.

    Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.- John 14

    Now, go ask the dead prophets to explain it to you. And follow them if you want.

    This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.-John 6

    If anyone is going to be robbed of life, it's people like you who are following the "fathers" who Christ himself says are "dead'.

    Don't lecture me on who's deserving of "life'. Ever think that the "broad" path could be the orthodox Bible itself?

    Out of all of the ways and words in the Bible, all you need is one, Christ.
     
  16. 2ndpillar

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    Yeshua said in John 6:35, I am the bread of life" and the example given was at the last supper, whereas it was "unleavened" bread. The "leaven" refers to the "leaven" of the Pharisee, or the hypocrisy of the Pharisee. For the "bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world" (John 6:34), and it is the Word of God, which is the Law and the prophets, which was made flesh in the nature of Yeshua. (John 1:14).

    As for your gospel of Mary, she was probably a Jewish housewife, who stayed home and witnessed little of Yeshua's escapades. I hate to be the teller of bad news, but your false gospel of grace, isn't going to make the grade. As for the "fathers" and the "sons", "Remember the law of Moses"...."Elijah the prophet" will "restore the hears of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to the fathers, lest I come and smite the land with a curse. (Malachi 4:4-6).
     
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    lol.............

    Mary walked and seen a hell of a lot more of Christ than Malachi, Moses or Elijah did. 12 disciples and 6 women were with Jesus constantly during his 3 years of teaching. Who was the first to see the risen Christ? Mary.

    John 1:14 doesn't even say what you quoted.

    14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    No Law, no prophets.

    Now it does say this:
    17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
    18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

    The law came by Moses, not truth. That came by Jesus Christ (or whatever name you see him as).

    Abraham and Moses said they saw god, and Jesus corrected with truth. "No man" has seen God, until Jesus became a man to "declare" (who he truly is).

    The way you talk about Paul, now Mary, just reveals your animosity of the god you follow. Hate your enemy.
     
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    That old fart never could get anything right.
     
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    So the gospel of Mary is not Mary wife of Joseph, but Mary Magdalene. Apparently that gospel wasn't discovered until 1896. I think Mary Magdalene saw "two angels" inside the tomb (John 20:12), and not Christ. As for when I quote something, you will find it in quotes. As for what the "Word" was and is, it is the OT Scripture which John was referring too. Not some gospel of some women named Mary, who no doubt could not read or write, and was centuries dead when the first incomplete scraps were found of your writings. But by all means, if that is all you have, please hang on to it for the sake of your false hopes.

    As for what Yeshua spoke, he said that the "Scriptures" could not be broken. (John 10:35)

    King James Bible John 10:35
    If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

    Genesis 18:1,"Now the LORD appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day."
    Now you can argue whether it was the LORD or the angel of the Lord. The message taken away from that gathering, was that for "all the nations to be blessed" (Gen 18:19), they will have "to keep the way of the LORD by doing righteousness and justice". The problem is that the nations/Gentiles neither seek nor understand righteousness, nor do they follow the path of justice. Instead, they follow the false gospel of grace of the false prophet Paul.
     
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  20. Phantasman

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    You are clearly ignorant in the case of John 10:35

    34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

    35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

    36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, am the Son of God?

    37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

    Jesus clearly was "questioning" the Jews and their law (10:34).

    How could they think that they were gods, yet not see the son of god (in Christ).

    The Jews murdered Gentiles as well as Christ. Paul united them. Follow the "liar and murderer" Christ said the Jews were following. John 8:44

    I'm done with this.
     
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