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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Evangelicalhumanist, May 21, 2022.

  1. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    It's very hard to know where to put this. While I was reading @Seeker of White Light's thread on staying away from religious debate, I was also listening to a Christian Pastor from Tennessee making a rant that sickened me. And it made me wonder -- are we not supposed to speak up against this? Are we required, because he has freedom of speech, to just say "Amen?"

    Here's part of what he said:

    “If you vote Democrat, I don’t even want you around this church. You can get out. You can get out, you demon. You cannot be a Christian and vote Democrat in this nation. I don’t care how mad that makes you. You can get as pissed off as you want to. You cannot be a Christian and vote Democrat in this nation.... You cannot be a Democrat and a Christian. You cannot. Somebody say, ‘Amen.’ The rest of you get out! Get out!”

    As part of the same rant, the pastor added, “I ain’t playin’ your stupid games.... I’m sick of it. Everyone wanna talk about the insurrection? Mmmm. Let me tell you something: You ain’t seen the insurrection yet. You keep on pushing our buttons, you low-down, sorry compromisers, you God-hating communists, maybe you’ll find out what an insurrection is.”

    Now, imagine if this was in a mosque, and instead of a Christian pastor, an Imam said: 'You ain’t seen the insurrection yet. You keep on pushing our buttons, you low-down, sorry compromisers, you God-hating communists, maybe you’ll find out what an insurrection is.”

    Would that Imam not be thought to be inciting Muslims to rise up against the nation? Would there not be a nation-wide out-cry?

    Republicans on the Forum, who constantly claim that Democrats are the root cause of all your problems, I'd especially like to hear from you on this. Because this (I'll call him) "gentleman" is also a Republican, died-in-the-wool.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1526048899810615301

    Christian pastor's anti-Democrat tirade raises eyebrows — and legal questions
     
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    He should do less of the insurrection stuff and more of the resurrection stuff.

    ooh I see he's the Harry Potter book burner. Class.

    The OP led me to this:

    - https://bjconline.org/wp-content/up...ionalism_and_the_Jan6_Insurrection-2-9-22.pdf
     
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  3. Riders

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    I think the question for this guy is is he asking for trouble. He is obviously a radical fundamentalist conservative nutcase . Most churches and Pastors don't relate to this. There are lots of Democrat liberal Christians.
     
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  4. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    You know that, and I know that.

    I'm trying to find a way to talk about the "right to free speech," and what this guy seems to be doing (like yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre), which is to incite his congregation to actual violent revolt.

    As I said, put that same speech in the mouth of an Imam in a mosque, and tell me what the reaction would have been -- especially among fundamentalist "Christians."
     
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  5. Father Heathen

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    How do people like this pastor reconcile the republican platform with the teachings and examples of Christ when they're completely antithetical?
     
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  6. We Never Know

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    "I was also listening to a Christian Pastor from Tennessee making a rant that sickened me"

    My question is why do you listen to things that sicken or upset you?

    For example, I don't listen to Trump supporters rant or Trump haters rant.
    There's no peace or good in it.
    I look for good and peace in life instead of stress and strife.
     
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  7. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Well, if you keep your fingers in your ears and chant "la-la-la" so you don't hear, then you won't have any idea where others are trying to take your world -- and maybe you.

    Yes, you'll be at peace -- until the moment you find you're not, likely to your immense surprise.
     
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    I don't agree with this pastor's views . His words do not promote peace but rather hate and division.
     
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  9. Sgt. Pepper

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    So much for "love your neighbor as yourself" and "love your enemies." First, I think this pastor is a dangerous man, and he should be closely observed by the appropriate authorities to ensure that he doesn't hurt anyone or he doesn't incite violence that leads to a hate crime against Democrats. As an ex-Christian, I can chalk up his hatred as another reason to stay as far away from conservative Christianity as it's humanly possible. Sadly, I've heard similar BS before when I was a member of a conservative Christian forum. On this forum, I was called a child of the devil, a minion of Satan, and a "Demon Rat." I was told that I was evil, demon possessed, and I was told that I was going to be tortured in hell for all eternity because I voted for Joe Biden. There were Christian Trump supporters on this forum who genuinely believed that God himself was going to strike Biden down and remove him and reinstate Trump as the rightful president. Some Christians on this forum believe that Trump is running a shadow presidency and Biden is merely a puppet.
     
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  10. Aštra’el

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    Democrats are not “the root cause” of my problems, and atheists do not “make life harder” in the slightest. Most of the time I don’t even notice them.
     
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  11. Evangelicalhumanist

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    I'd really like @Seeker of White Light to read what you wrote, because I think it speaks strongly to what he is experiencing in his own thread.
     
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    Congrats to the pastor of a now defuncted tax exempt organization!
     
  13. Twilight Hue

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    Not all Republicans are ranting southern pastors! ;0]

    Still I think Democrats are authoritarian and are continually pushing buttons and creating policies to create people like this.

    I see it as a monster of one's own making.
     
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  14. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    The only concern of mine is the loss of freedoms and the rise of authoritarianism.
     
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  15. Evangelicalhumanist

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    Well, he's rooting for exactly that, big time! And if you study how fascism and other losses of freedom have happened in societies around the world, you'll find that his is an integral part of how it's done.

    Never forget this: those who know how to turn a bunch of individuals into a mob can do immense harm. Because it is appallingly easy to turn otherwise ordinary humans into slavering animals looking for blood -- if you know how.
     
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    I personally think the root cause of the problems in this country and the world is sin; which is not confined to Democrats. Republicans, as well as everyone is prone to sin. It seems to me too much animosity is stirred up from both Democrats and Republicans. Politics isn’t the solution; only Jesus the Savior is and he said to pray for your enemies. That is what any pastor should be encouraging, not inciting rage or violence.
     
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  17. Evangelicalhumanist

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    Has that happened? I can't find it.
     
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    Woah. Impressive mental gymnastics.
     
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  19. ideogenous_mover

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    Probably the counter to that, is to keep cultivating this concept of the 'educated individual.'

    Oftentimes in the past, I have proclaimed the concept of the individual as being a fiction. Well I wasn't entirely correct. I think what I was seeing, is that many different groups promote the idea of the individual, but they inject the term with undue subjectivity

    For example, the right, the left, and the religious all like to use the idea of the 'individual' as an enhancement to their other statements, but they contrast it to bodies of core ideas that often don't change. So then, they want to steer the 'individual' into their own distinct idea foundations. But if there is not a true ability to be 'dynamic,' then what is the individual doing?

    'Educated' is also a term that probably has to be clearly understood, and applied. An individual can't really be an individual unless they get a lot of facts straight
     
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  20. Father Heathen

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    I don't buy it.
     
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