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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Conscious thoughts, Apr 15, 2021.

  1. URAVIP2ME

    URAVIP2ME Veteran Member

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    Your ^ above ^ post reminded me about under the Constitution of the Mosaic Law there was the Avenger of Blood.
    In that old Hebrew Law the Avenger of Blood applied to the nearest male relative who was under obligation to avenge the blood of one who had been killed - Numbers 35:19.
    The reason for the Avenger of Blood is based on or connected back to what was stated to Noah - Genesis 9:5-6.
    A proven deliberate murderer was to be put to death - Numbers 35:19-21,31; Deuteronomy 17:8-9.
    So, there was a distinction between ' premeditated, deliberate and accidental ', thus ' cities of refuge ' were set up.
    - Numbers 35:6-29; Deuteronomy 19:2-13; Joshua 20:2-9.
    With the establishment of Christian times, there is No provision for an Avenger of Blood, that duty is for ' Caesar ' to decide. Christians are to lay down the sword - Matthew 26:52.
     
  2. URAVIP2ME

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    Interesting ^ above ^. In thinking about 'a crime that is a civil act' Would that be like getting a speeding ticket ______
    We don't consider a speeding ticket as sinning against the motor-vehicle code.
    But to deliberately, intentionally speed would be sin because we are to obey God as ruler - Acts 5:29.

    Yes, as far as the wicked that obey civil laws we can read about how Asaph viewed things at Psalms 73 (Douay 72)
     
  3. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    Oh. I was thinking that if someone is a murderer, I may have unconditional love for her in regards to the value of her life despite her crimes, but that internal unconditional love is conditional by actions (I have set rules/boundaries) for my personal safety and won't invite that person into my house.

    The conditions of keeping myself and my loved ones safe puts a clause in how I express (my actions) unconditional love despite having it in my head/heart and wanting to express it to everyone.

    @Conscious thoughts Better explanation
     
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  4. Hermit Philosopher

    Hermit Philosopher Selflessly here for you

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    Absolutely, yes!

    The key is to approach everyone and everything in a spirit of wanting to see where they’re coming from. And thereby understanding that if you were them and not you, you may have acted in a similar manner.

    Also, remembering that forgiveness sets not another free from guilt, but oneself from hatred.

    Humbly
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  5. Conscious thoughts

    Conscious thoughts Veteran Member

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    I do agree that it is important to keep family safe when something happen :)
    To me it is a bit different, because even a person have killed someone in the past, does not automatically means they going to do it again :) And again it is the human being as a human being that we can love unconditional, not the action they may have done in the past. Past is the past. and as long they do not harm anyone right now they are just a human being to me
     
  6. savagewind

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    I don't see why not. I think that to hate someone is the same as to carry a wish for some harm to come to him or her. But, Jesus taught us differently. Do unto others as you would have done unto you. (I realize that he wasn't the only one to say it).

    It is my opinion that anyone can be reborn. There is a possibility that there is some hope in everyone for good.

    No harm to do anyone. Let them be on the peaceful river.
     
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  7. Trailblazer

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    I agree it is possible to be free from hatred, but that does not imply unconditional love because there are a lot of feelings between love and hate and there is also indifference. Anyone can say they love everyone, but whether they could ever prove it is another matter.
     
  8. Conscious thoughts

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    I do not disagree with you in what you say.
    Maybe it be that the only way to truly have unconditional love is when all hate from within has been solved and let go of?
     
  9. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    True... I agree 100%. The idea is if my life was in danger, I would. It's not specific to her crime that she is called a murder. It is specific to if my life were in danger, I would not invite that person in my house.

    That doesn't mean I don't give her unconditional love. I do not believe in premediated punishment whatsoever because I value the life of all people. The only conditions I have with this is my safety and my loved ones... this has to do with putting me in danger not whether the person committed a past record of crime.

    In other words, if she had a criminal record back in 2009, I'd invite her in my house because I know that's not "her".... depending on our relationship.

    If she committed a crime on my street in 2021 last month and she's roaming through my neighborhood, I would not invite her in no matter how much love I have for her, I "also" value my life as well as hers.
     
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    I fully understand you @Unveiled Artist
     
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  11. loverofhumanity

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    Yes, through love of God, all people can be loved. Because the love of God is unlimited and not confined to family, race, nationality or religion it is possible to have a universal love of all humanity.

    Each sees in the other the Beauty of God reflected in the soul, and finding this point of similarity, they are attracted to one another in love. This love will make all men the waves of one sea, this love will make them all the stars of one heaven and the fruits of one tree. This love will bring the realization of true accord, the foundation of real unity. (Abdul-Baha)
     
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  12. Trailblazer

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    That might be possible on an individual basis but I cannot see how it will ever be universal unless something changes. I believe that the Baha'i Faith has the answers but that won't help of everyone continues to cling to the older religions that have no answers to what is afflicting humanity in this age. Since I live in the United States it is abundantly clear to me that the old system is not working as one mass shooting follows another.
     
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  13. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    Yes... putting up those safety boundaries are conditions not only for your physical safety but mental and spiritual. I read awhile back that spiritual awakened can run into so many bombarding emotions and thoughts of others they get confused and some people down the road off track. So, forgiveness and internal unconditional love but I'd vary on who I invite in my home whether mental, physical, or spiritual.
     
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    It's one thing to say it, it is another to put it into practice.

    There are a lot of homeless people who desperately need help. They could sleep in empty churches. They could stay with families in their homes. They could be given food when hungry (though I heard that food from the government and charities is plentiful now).

    Fear prevents love. Fear comes from Satan. People fear diseases, bugs, violence, and theft.

    So, next time you see homeless people dismantling a little girl's bicycle, swapping parts with another bike to make it look different than the one that is advertised as stolen, take those people under your wing, give them a key to your house, ignore their meth addiction.

    Of course, you might notice a few things missing (cancer pain medication is the first thing). You might notice that your favorite blanket is now a cat blanket (but they claim that the blanket has been theirs for years). You will notice that they took anything that they could use or sell for narcotics (Kentucky Fried Chicken plastic sporks, etc).

    There might be a few reasons why others have not offered them shelter. There might even be a reason that their own parents kicked them out of their house.

    Love seems to work best when not coupled with abuse (theft, violence, etc).
     
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    no

    an unbridled heart is fickle
     
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    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    I have posted many times.....picture Jesus, Judas and Hitler
    sitting at the Table sharing bread and a sauce bowl

    looking each other.....in the eye

    (at the Last Supper .....the disciples placed two swords on the Table.....
    asking
    Are these enough?........)
     
  17. Conscious thoughts

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    I could still love the person, and disagree with their behaviour.
    I have housed more than one homeless in my life, and do it again if i get the chance
     
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  18. savagewind

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    I do not believe that to love and to help are the same.

    To wish everyone goodwill is love. Is it not?

    Are wishes fickle? (I might Google that).
     
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    It is daring to welcome a stranger into your home. But, it isn't always wrong. Only sometimes it is. Are you a betting person?
     
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    I can love everyone, but there are those who still have to stay in heck with that mean old dragon temptation.
     
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