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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Conscious thoughts, Apr 15, 2021.

  1. Clara Tea

    Clara Tea Well-Known Member

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    The recent wars were examples of not loving foreigners as much as we love our own families. They became statistics....some faceless enemy....we cheapened human life by killing them so easily (without a thought to their worth as human beings).

    Remember, God said "thou shalt not kill." Also you have to remember that God considers all humans to be his children, and we are not supposed to kill the other children of God.
     
  2. passerby

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    Crimes are civil acts and not always sins- God is not concerned with crime but sin that leads to crime. As citizens we have a duty to obey laws, but I believe we were born to seek virtue and avoid sin. Many virtuous people have disobeyed civil laws and many wicked people have obeyed them but lived very wicked lives.
     
  3. Brian2

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    True, and we sometimes need to deal with the actions and words of others in some way also. Justice is a part of love, and justice is for all people.
     
  4. Conscious thoughts

    Conscious thoughts Veteran Member

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    Normally a justice system will take care of that :) if we see a crime happen, it can be love for the person that is harmed we pick up the phone and call the police
     
  5. Unveiled Artist

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    Is unconditional love inviting someone who hurt you to your home because you forgave her for her actions?

    Forgiving etc UL of all others is probably doable. Actually expressing that forgiveness (evidence if) would ideally have conditions.

    If you have UL you express it not just have it. That. I don't find doable without healthy and spiritual conditions.

    If actions speak louder than words how would one reconcile the two?

    That or maybe assume one has UL but only shows it to some people naturally (intentional and not) if they set up barriers of safety/conditions....or is UL not an action?
     
  6. Brian2

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    Yes we can.
     
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  7. Israel Khan

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    Not at all. Unconditional love is not a human trait.
     
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  8. Muffled

    Muffled Jesus in me

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    I believe what Jesus says: "With God all things are possible."
     
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    Muffled Jesus in me

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    I believe that is churchianity or legalism. In true Christianity Jesus is our love for people just as He loved us enough to die for us.
     
  10. Conscious thoughts

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    I am sure Jesus will guide the Christians to a beautful life when people listen to the gosple :)
     
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    Muffled Jesus in me

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    i don't believe that is possible but then maybe you are just trying to steal the glory that belongs to Jesus.
     
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  12. Muffled

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    I believe it is more than guidance. It is a natural result of having received Jesus as Lord and Savior or as Paul termed it a fruit of the Spirit.
     
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  13. Conscious thoughts

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    I respect your view of your savior :)
     
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    I thought it was the radical message of the Gospels- I don't know how you get closer to Christianity than that.
     
  15. Trailblazer

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    Unconditional love would be loving someone no matter what they did to you, loving them with no conditions.
    It would include inviting someone who hurt you to your home because you forgave her for her actions.
     
  16. Unveiled Artist

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    I'd say you can have unconditional love without crossing your safety boundaries, no?
     
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  17. robocop (actually)

    robocop (actually) Well-Known Member
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    I've seen lots of people who love people unconditionally, but as for loving God I'm not perfect; I don't even always believe in Him.
     
  18. Unveiled Artist

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    I'ma challenge you a bit but not meant to be a full convo (maybe its own thread, I dont know).

    How would a person express unconditional love for a criminal (a person) but then condemn her for a crime she did either to that person or someone else?

    Unconditional love by definition doesn't have qualifications on who should die and who should not. If we all had unconditional love, we'd have consequences for people's actions but we wouldn't condemn the value of their lives for their actions-their actions condemn themselves.

    Since other people don't share my opinions about the value of life, how do you reconcile the two without the nature of the crime being the condition in which one should see her die or not?
     
  19. Trailblazer

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    I don't know what you mean by safety boundaries.
     
  20. Trailblazer

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    Love is a feeling or attitude and punishment for a crime is an action or behavior.
    You can love someone and still punish them for unacceptable behavior.
    I think it does. You can love someone and still punish them for unacceptable behavior.
     
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