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Featured Is it possible to understand what Allah/God is?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Conscious thoughts, Apr 7, 2021.

  1. Conscious thoughts

    Conscious thoughts Veteran Member

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    Can we as human beings truly understand what Allah/God is in pure form?
    Or can we only gain understanding of what Allah/God might be in his purest form?

    Can we say: this is Allah/God?
     
  2. Regiomontanus

    Regiomontanus άντρας των αστεριών

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    No :)

    He is beyond the comprehension of finite minds.

    This is the traditional view, in Judaism and Christianity at least.
     
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    Yes. Merge with/become IT, and you'll understand IT.
     
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  4. SalixIncendium

    SalixIncendium Advaita Vedantin
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    ^^ Pretty much this. ^^

    Tat tvam asi.
     
  5. Conscious thoughts

    Conscious thoughts Veteran Member

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    Tat tvam WUT :confused:
     
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  6. Israel Khan

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    Well, we don't know what future technology we will come up with to examine a god or what discoveries will be made so nobody knows actually. What is most likely the case is that we do not have the capabilities to examine a god at the moment.
     
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    SalixIncendium Advaita Vedantin
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    It's one of the Mahavakyas from the Chandogya Upanishad. It translates roughly to "Thou art that."

    Mahāvākyas - Wikipedia
     
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  8. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Yeah sure. If we understand about the Pink Unicorn, Flying Spaghetti Monster, Cthulhu, etc., what is the problem in understanding God or Allah. Furthermore, you are aided by the people sent by him and four excellent books, Torah, Christian Bible, Qur'an and Kitab-i-Aqdas.
     
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    love is the mystery


    LOVE is greatest allahu akbar


    I am a slave to love



     
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    We can certainly understand what we mean by the terms "Allah" and "God."

    ... and what we understand the terms to mean is all of their entire meaning.
     
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  11. Conscious thoughts

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    Can a human truly understand what God is like
     
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    Not from the intellect, but from experience.
     
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    While I recognize that this is what many people in these religions say, it can't be reconciled with pretty much anything in either religion.

    If someone thinks that God is incomprehensible, then that's where the discussion ends. When people start talking about deeds God has supposedly done, or God's likes and dislikes, or God's commandments for humanity, they're implying that God is - to some degree - comprehensible.

    A truly incomprehensible God is unfit to be the focus of a religion.
     
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    Tell me what you mean by "God" and then I can answer the question.

    If you can tell me what you mean, then that's what God is, at least for you.

    If you can't tell me what you mean by "God," then for you, "God" is just a meaningless sound; you aren't using "God" as a word.
     
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  15. Twilight Hue

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    I can perfectly understand Allah as much as Jehovah and any other God that has been ever around.

    It's all in the mind. Personality of one's god is determined by its user.
     
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    SalixIncendium Advaita Vedantin
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    Isn't being a person requisite to having a personality?
     
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  17. 9-10ths_Penguin

    9-10ths_Penguin 1/10 Subway Stalinist
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    Apparently not. Ask anyone who has given their car a name. :D

    Humans are pareidolia machines. We assign personalities to just about anything. Theism is an example of this.
     
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    Yes and no.

    Yes...we can do so say in poetry and art...many expressions of god (and the like) one can't put in words can be expressed by visual language.

    We can by expressing our experiences and finding a single motivator(s) of them. For example, some christians call the experience of wholeness love. To me, that experience is freedom and gratitude. To another...

    No, because each person's experiences are unique. Freedom to me isn't someone who loves me, someone I worship, or someone I serve-not a god. While others, it may be the act of surrender, the pull to serve, and the experience of profound gratitude.

    Most of the time talking with religious on RF all of them-every single one-says their experiences are personal.

    God probably can but it takes strength and humility to let down our defenses on what's personal to others.

    Something I read once. An author asked her native american friend if she can use his words in her book.

    Her spiritual advisor said, "of course. Nothing I say is mine but owned by god."

    https://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Native-Americans-Kent-Nerburn/dp/1577310799

    https://www.amazon.com/Native-Wisdom-White-Minds-Reflections/dp/0345394054

    I can't remember which it was, but they are good sources of wisdom of you're interested.
     
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  19. Marcion

    Marcion Self-realisation and Service to the Universe

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    Intellectually you can never know Him, He can never be your object.
    By surrendering your own subject you can sort of experience the Supreme Subjectivity (after it has happened, not during the unification itself).
     
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    Psalm 46, v 10

    ”Be still, and know that I am God.”

    Stillness being essential, I’d say.
     
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