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Featured Is it possible to please God without reading scripture?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by gottalovemoses, Sep 12, 2017.

  1. gottalovemoses

    gottalovemoses Im mad as Hell!

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    Catholics don't view the Bible as sole authority. But I have been studying it quite seriously recently.
    It makes me wonder about the average Catholic who has very little knowledge of scripture outside the gospels. Does it really matter? maybe not. Our Christian action is the main thing.
     
  2. Tmac

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    It seems as thought you have a couple of questions here, the bible doesn't really tell you much about God, it speaks of interactions but if you were to think about God exclusive of religious trimmings then first God is perfect, that implies a state that has everything, lacks nothing, has no wants, complete. But if the individual wants to please God, whether it does or doesn't is irrelevant, that's another story. If you were to believe that God was everywhere then we would all benefit from this persons actions.

    They way I understand the story about David, he was just a shepherd boy, with little education and no NT at all and look what happen to him.
     
  3. Rival

    Rival Noachide Fundamentalist Pro-Semite
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    Of course.

    Abraham had no scripture.
     
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  4. idav

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    As long as that's what the bishops decided hundreds of years ago, when they thought the world was flat. Would you trust those guys put together a canon for the Bible that was the word of god? Really the average person doesn't know about their own religions.

    You might know the golden rule is not a commandment, half Americans got it wrong. Atheists score best.
    What Americans Do and Don't Know About Religion
     
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  5. Carlita

    Carlita Riding the waves!

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    Catholic Mass is a continuation of sacrificial ritual in the OT by Levites (priests) and Isrealite (god's chosen people).

    Each sacrifice was of a clean animal and the blood of the animal was the sacrifice and body of the animal life (like mana).So catholics Live the OT through sacrifice and Live the NT through christ passion.

    The Church is based on the bible so to a Catholic, involvement in the Church is involvement in knowing Christ. In Mass, they have bible readings. If you go through Mass everyday, its said you read the full bible in a year.

    A lot of older Catholics havent read their bible because of Church politics. Now people are reading their bibles. Their relationship with christ/eucharist and Church/people have strengthened because of it.

    That and catholicism isnt sola scriptura. A lot of things are based on the bible but nothing completely made up.
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member

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    You’d hope so, otherwise there’ll be a lot of blind Christians wondering why heaven is so hot and pointy. :D
     
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    Kelly of the Phoenix Well-Known Member

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    Got caught in a bunch of sex scandals and set up the country for eventual civil war? :)
     
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    You'd have thought his son would have learnt bet-

    no.
     
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    And your point is? I didn't anoint him, they did, no one said (did they) that he wasn't human. The question was can you get anywhere without knowing scripture.

    I hope you don't interpret my response as the shot at you, Frankly, I question why their is no history for Jesus, awfully convenient, my Jesus must have walked in my shoes in order for me to respect his words.
     
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    How do you know?
     
  11. Rival

    Rival Noachide Fundamentalist Pro-Semite
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    Because Torah was given at Sinai at the time of Moshe. This was centuries after Avraham.
     
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    The Church is 'based' on Jesus the Christ and from this community of believers is produced the NT. The Liturgy is founded upon the Temple or Synagogue;

    The standing during the gospels is, in Jewish liturgy, the standing for the Torah. The prayers of the offertory are the prayers of the Jewish Benediction before a meal.

    The Sanctus is a direct quote from the Jewish prayer the Quedushah, while the ending of the maranatha when we say “Come Lord Jesus” is there in the invocation for the coming of the Messiah in the Jewish Shemoneh Esreh said daily.

    The structure of the Mass recalls the structure of the Temple service and sacrifice. The beating of the breast at the Kyries repeats the Jewish beating of the breast as a sign of mourning or of repentance.

    The octave after Christmas or Easter, is the week kept by Jews after every major feast. The beni-toi with its holy water, sign of baptism and once placed at the entrance of Catholic homes, takes the place of the Shema Israel encased in the wall before the entry into Jewish homes. And the readings of the Easter Vigil are the Passover readings Our Lord would have known.

    More than that. Prior to Vat II Catholics were discouraged from reading the Bible. Now, with the explosion of Catholic scholarship going public the majority of parishes hold bible studies.

    For some of Catholic doctrine there is a recognizable basis in Scripture. For others only a slender basis is to be found, and still others Scripture is virtually silent.
     
  13. DavidFirth

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    Faith is required to please God. Reading the Bible is a great idea but not required:

    Hebrews 11:6
    And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
     
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    You make it sound as if the Torah does not have a history.
     
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    I am giving the Orthodox Jewish view.
     
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    Is that not your view as well?
     
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    Yes.
     
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    To be honest I was surprised by your answer, not to say that I am aware of Abraham's education or lack there of but he seemed to me to be somebody in the tribe, unlike the shepherd boy who was less likely to find any hard copies of the teachings.
     
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    How do you decide which bible to read?NOV KJ Catholic Oxford Apocrypha etc
     
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    Whatever book you read, only you will get whatever you get from the words.
     
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