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Is it appropriate for the President of the United States to issue orders to private companies?

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by fantome profane, Aug 23, 2019.

  1. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Greased up & ready for action!
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    Again I've the question....
    Was this him personally or some or all of the LLCs & corporations bearing his name?
    Fighting to prevent public disclosure is proof only of fighting to prevent public disclosure.
    Is there anything in there which addresses the issue of estimating financial success?
     
  2. columbus

    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    Well, Trump got rich.
    The banks and investors and employees and contractors got the shaft.

    You tell me if you think that this demonstrates business brilliance or the ability to hire expensive lawyers and advisors, and the ruthlessness to use them in a profoundly unethical way.

    And now Trump doesn't want anyone to know what he really did, or how much he's worth. He's been as careful as a mob boss.

    So what do you think and why? I think he's a criminal, myself. A criminal with really good lawyers.
    And a Christian.
    Tom
     
  3. Revoltingest

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    I've already posted criticism of his unethical business practices.
    But this conversation was about financial success.
     
  4. columbus

    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    Are you suggesting that those are separate things?

    If, as I believe, Trump has had little business success but can hire lawyers and accountants and advisors who can (semi-legally) shovel massive amounts of money into his accounts, would that still be your idea of successful business?

    Name recognition and business acumen were his only credentials when he ran for president and you voted for him. If his business acumen is as poor and unethical as it looks like, would you still have voted for him? Would you do it again? Would you encourage others to do so?

    Why?
    Tom
     
  5. Revoltingest

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    Other posters & I were discussing measures of financial success.
    You introduced business ethics.
    They are not the same.
    You keep wanting to re-live the election.
    I've covered every aspect of my vote already.
    I suspect you've nothing new to cover.
     
  6. columbus

    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    That's not how I remember it.

    I don't see that making money with unethical business practices is the same as financial success.
    If you do, we could talk about the billionaire Columbian drug lords. They're probably worth more than Trump. Heck, they practically bought a country worth a lot more than Puerto Rico or Greenland.

    But I can't help noticing that Trump will claim things that aren't true, and he claims to be worth billions. Well, so did Bernie Madoff. And Kenneth Lay(of Enron fame).
    Tom
     
  7. Revoltingest

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    When joining an ongoing conversation, tis best to
    have read it all before jumping in with objections.
     
  8. columbus

    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    I suppose that's the best you can do.

    Bob and weave, rather to explain what you mean by "financial success".
    Tom
     
  9. Revoltingest

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    Bless your heart.
    You misunderstand things, & then complain that it's my fault.
    One might say that you're doing the "bob & weave" by
    ignoring the theme of the conversation you barged into.

    Are you trying to make your fellow liberals look bad by poeing?
    Well, I won't judge Fantome or others by someone else's antics.
     
  10. 9-10ths_Penguin

    9-10ths_Penguin 1/10 Riboflavin
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    If he had invested his inheritance in the S& P 500, he would be far wealthier than he claims to be now.

    He's not a financial success; he's mediocre and happened to be born rich.
     
  11. Salvador

    Salvador RF's Swedenborgian

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    Without knowing when and how much money Donald received from his father, a comparison analysis of how much wealth Donald J. Trump would have accumulated by investing in a Standard and Poor's 500 index fund in comparison with how he actually invested his inheritance can't be determined.
     
  12. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    But we do know how much... or at least we know a minimum amount:

    Decades of Trump’s inheritance fail to explain how he’s funding mysterious cash purchases

    Based on that minimum amount, he underperformed the market. If he inherited more, then he underperformed even more.
     
  13. columbus

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    Feel free to explain the difference between getting rich through financial success and getting rich through unethical business practices.
    I see those as very different things. Kenneth Lay, Bernie Madoff, a bunch of drug lords, Chinese Communists, etc. all seem to have something in common with Trump. Unethical business practices.

    You seem to think that is the same as business success. I don't. I think that business success means doing something beneficial and getting compensated. Not just stealing and getting away with it.

    Maybe that's why you're so much more capitalist than I am.
    Tom
     
  14. columbus

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    Habiru, is that you?
    Tom
     
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    If I were capable of splaining, & you were capable of
    understanding, we wouldn't have arrived at this point.
    So I'll just agree to not even bother to disagree.
     
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    I've inherited a small fortune from by grandfather. I've invested about a quarter of this in indexed market funds and another quarter of this in an individualized stock portfolio , the other half I've used to buy a house and car. I wouldn't expect anyone else either to invest every dollar of his/her inheritance in the stock market.
     
  17. columbus

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    you would.
    But instead,
    OK
    Tom
     
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    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fdr-seizes-control-of-montgomery-ward
     
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    Twitter isn't a government channel that has legal power thus there is no actual order. It isn't an EO, it is not a law.
     
  20. fantome profane

    fantome profane Have you read the Whistleblower complaint?
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    But it is an official Presidential statement.
     
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