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Featured Is Islam peaceful?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Afnan, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. The Emperor of Mankind

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    The same can be said of people who quote Quran verses like surah 109:1-6 -
    "Say, "O disbelievers, I do not worship what you worship. Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship. Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship. For you is your religion, and for me is my religion.""

    or surah 5:32 - "Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors."

    Muslims and Islamophiles quote these verses in isolation all the time; disregarding both their contexts and the fact that 5:32 is plagiarised wholesale from the Book of Sanhedrin - which isn't even direct scripture - it's Rabbinical commentary.
     
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    Today we have thousands of murders, rapes, adultery, stealing...etc happening in the western world.

    When sharia law rules the earth there will be 00.01% of these crimes.

    That means there would be no more crimes, so yes Islam is peaceful with those who are peaceful.

    And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds. 21:107 Qur'an
     
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    Americans and Europeans are killing thousands of Muslims.

    US airstrikes killed thousands of civillians in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen...etc

    Your soldiers are raping our women and children.

    World is in a war against Islam, but Islam continues to spread biidznillah
     
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    And in the Muslim world it is the same. I wouldn't change my country's crime statistics with any country.

    This is like the claims of the Communists, that a worker's paradise would be here if they ruled everywhere. There is no proof of this. Show me one country where it has worked like you said.
     
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  5. TawheedIsTheOnlyWay

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    There is no such thing as a Muslim country today. Majority of these so called Muslim countries dont rule by the sharia. In Saudi Arabia they allow adultery and interest. All these rulers who dont rule by the sharia are apostates.
     
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    No country has sharia unless it has Muslims. If there is sharia then there are Muslims. If there are no Muslims then there is no sharia. I am pretty sure then that there is sharia in many countries, because there are Muslims there. Perhaps that does not seem conclusive, but there are just so many Muslims that its hard to imagine what you are saying. Look at...Saudi Arabia again. That's where Makka is. How can you say there's no sharia there?
     
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    Islam is Islam. It's up to the individual to decide how to interpret it. There are peaceful and bad things in it, like the Bible and other holy texts.
     
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    Islam is peaceful to the extent that the emphasis is on the internal Jihad rather than the external Jihad.

    As Muhammad himself stated, " The greatest Jihad is the Jihad against one's own self."

    If you see lack of peace and chaos in Islamic society , it only showcases the fact of skewed priorities in terms of Jihad.
     
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    In Islam we believe in sharia, not democracy. King of Saudi Arabia is an American dog. Saudi Arabian government kills Muslims and locks them into prison. Their allie is America. America is number 1 terrorist.
     
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    US soldiers believe in treating women properly, and that is what they are very strictly taught as well as good hygiene. If they do anything wrong it is not Ok with the American public. They can get into trouble, punished and demoted if something like that happens. They have amazing information and technology, but they do not use it on civilians. They live sequestered on bases, and if they go anywhere they must report it. They do not roam the countryside without supervision. If a soldier does not report in they face charges. It is called AWOL, and they will be in trouble. Not only this, but they are required to carry identification with them.
     
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    I do not understand what you are saying. I'm sitting here not terrorizing anyone, and I live in America. If we were so terrible then the Canadians and the Mexicans would complain about it. Instead Canadians and Mexicans visit here all the time.

    Saudi Arabia is considered a Muslim country here. They have a king, not a democracy; and they don't do what we want. They have their own oil, their own money, their own government.
     
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    Brickjectivity: Good response! If more Americans were like you: the world wouldn't be in the mess it is in, today! And it's not only America's fault! We Muslims have to take responsibility, also, for at least some of the strife that exists in the world today!!
     
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    So why do you think the West should follow these rules, when there is no one who follows them and no proof that it works as you say it does?

    I'm not convinced.
     
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    This man had the right idea.


     
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    I see that as a cop out. Even if the ruler doesn’t live by Shariah why can’t the people live by it?
    If all the crimes you accuse the west of occur in Muslim societies then that proves that it is Muslims who reject Shariah not just their rulers.
     
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    How can GOD be accused of plagiarising his own instructions? Are you saying none of the Rabbis were passing on oral traditions from one of the 124,000 Prophets and Messengers sent?
     
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    You're assuming three things; all of which are incorrect:
    1. That I believe the claim that your god wrote your holy book, rather than a human;
    2. That I believe the claim that there were 124,000 prophets and messengers throughout human history preaching about your god - but most of whom we've conveniently managed to forget;
    3. That I believe the claim that Islam is a descendant of (or is the original/uncorrupted) Judaism;
    These claims hold no weight outside of the religious echo chamber they're made in and I see no reason to give them any credence.
     
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    I gave a explanation regarding alleged plagiarism. What you chose to believe is of no consequence to me.
     
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    What you believe is of no consequence to me and that is the way I would like it to remain. Unfortunately, Islamic ideology has other ideas. Islam wouldn’t be so bad if it didn’t expect everyone else to submit to it.
     
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    It's more that we would like everyone to convert to Islam; as opposed to expecting everyone to convert to Islam! That's why we make Dawah (calling people to Islam!)!
     
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