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Featured Is Heaven Eternal?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Thief, Sep 7, 2017.

  1. Lucian Hodoboc

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  2. DavidFirth

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    All tears will be wiped away from the eyes of those in heaven.
     
  3. DavidFirth

    DavidFirth Well-Known Member

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    Hmm. Might do you good to read the book of Revelation to understand it more accurately.
     
  4. PureX

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    We can believe in heaven if we want to, or not, if we don't want to. So I am sure we can believe it's "eternal" if we want to, or not, if we don't want to.
     
  5. Muslim-UK

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    This.
     
  6. Spiderman

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    Good point. Lucifer proves that it is possible to fall from Heaven
     
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  7. DavidFirth

    DavidFirth Well-Known Member

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    You mean Satan. His name was changed when he fell from grace.
     
  8. Muslim-UK

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    And therein lays the lesson:

    Will you be disobedient like Satan, blame others for your shortcomings and refuse to turn back to God

    or

    Will you be like Adam and Eve, peace be upon them, who were equal in their wrongdoing, subsequently repented, turned back to God and were forgiven for their mistake.

    One path leads to destruction and the other to salvation.
     
  9. Kelly of the Phoenix

    Kelly of the Phoenix Well-Known Member

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    If you can be thrown out of heaven, you can also be thrown out of hell. :)
     
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    If satan did out of his own will, then I'd assume you mean would a person "want" to leave? I'd assume not.

    But does anyone have the ability to do so, is what I'm asking, though.
     
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    viole Ontological Naturalist
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    Until someone will decide to eat some forbidden apples, again.

    Ciao

    - viole
     
  12. blü 2

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    Like the Hotel California ...

    Or simple death.
     
  13. SalixIncendium

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    Why? Did they rewrite it since the last time I read it?

    Since you bring up Revelation, here are a few verses that demonstrate free will and determinism.

    Here's what I found in Revelation for determinism:

    Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

    And for free will:

    Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.


    So it would appear there are verses that exemplify both. Now let's see if you can come up with something better than a one line quip that demonstrates whether or not sin will exist in the new and improved heaven.

    C'mon @DavidFirth. Show me what you got.
     
  14. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    start a thread......see you there
     
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    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    and once inside the Door....
    do we choose with whom we stand?

    it would be heaven's choice if we enter
    would it not be heaven's choice with whom we spend eternity?

    I mentioned earlier.....if my loved ones are not there
    I might go looking for them
     
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  16. DavidFirth

    DavidFirth Well-Known Member

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    You sound as though you think you've got it all figured out.
     
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    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    and when the rich man shows up at the Door.....
    they might let him in......maybe.....
    but they will take his gold watch
     
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    An eternity? I wouldn't want to count those minutes.
     
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  19. SalixIncendium

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    I actually thought you might have something constructive to contribute on a subject you claim to know so much about. Clearly my expectations were too high.
     
  20. Kelly of the Phoenix

    Kelly of the Phoenix Well-Known Member

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    I know where he keeps the keys. :)
     
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