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Featured Is Heaven Eternal?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Thief, Sep 7, 2017.

  1. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    it didn't work out for God's Favored
    He had a falling out

    Therefore, there is no such thing as a secured position
    Anyone can fail
    even if you have both feet inside the Door
    even if you are God's favored
     
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  2. Mister Silver

    Mister Silver Faith's Nightmare

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    There is no proof of a heaven.

    There is a man-made concept of such a place supposedly existing.

    I will address this thread as a hypothetical.

    If heaven is real, I would imagine that eternity would be rather boring. After all, most people cannot imagine eternity on earth; therefore, what would they do with eternity in heaven?

    The real question of eternity is what would one do with it. Imagine that.
     
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  3. DavidFirth

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    God will destroy both heaven and Earth in the end. He will create a new heaven and a new Earth that will both be holy and pristine forever.
     
  4. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    I assume life after death
    it makes sense to me

    I assume the same for many others

    if everyone moves on to the next life.....that would be 7billion people
    if I spend one year of time with each one
    I will be busy for 7billion years

    and then start over to revisit each one
     
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  5. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    and is your position there already secured?
     
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  6. DavidFirth

    DavidFirth Well-Known Member

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    Yes. Christ secured it by His death on the cross and His resurrection. See John 3:16.
     
  7. corynski

    corynski Reality First!
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    Pardon me Thief, but how could 'life after death' possibly make 'sense' to you? Do you know someone who died and is now alive again? Can you describe the process of going from life to death and back again? Let's see... you say 'if everyone moves on to the next life'.... could you possibly explain to me what 'moves on' means in this context? And where is this next life that I am completely unaware of?
    Assuming life after death would appear to be a contradiction in terms to me.
     
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    If he waits long enough, nature will do it for him.
    That sounds attractive on the surface of it.

    But I'm not a big fan of autocracies. So tell me, how will it be governed? What rights will the subjects have against the administration? Can they recover damages if the whole thing doesn't live up to the prospectus? Can they vote them out?

    What does the fine print say?
     
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    Unveiled Artist Veteran Member

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    Can anyone choose to leave?
     
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  10. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    Is Heaven Eternal?

    I'll go with the 'no' answer.

    Actually I believe there is a heaven (higher planes) but actually an even higher place too; realizing Oneness/God/Brahman and returning to/becoming that.
     
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    No one will.
     
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    SalixIncendium सच्चितानन्द
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    That begs the question: why? Will there not be sin in Heaven?
     
  13. DavidFirth

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    No, there will not be. Heaven will be perfect. Refer to the book of Revelation.
     
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    So Heaven will be a society based in determinism with no choice or free will? If that's the case, I'm not sure I'd want to deal with that for eternity.

    Might be a nice place to visit, but I doubt I'd want to stay.
     
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  15. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    I have not ruled out reincarnation
    and some of my skills work through my fingers as if I already know how
    as if born to perform

    but for this thread....
    I believe in life after death
    not much point in generating 7billions copies of a learning device ....
    only to have each and every one fail in the dust

    the body produces a unique spirit on each occasion
    What?......no one survives the last breath?
    not one?
    not one chance in billions?

    I think it likely that many will continue in spirit
    this thread is about.....heaven
     
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    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    but even God's Favored was thrown down.....along with one third of heaven

    conditions?
     
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    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    I have considered......

    if I find myself among the angelic.....and my loved ones are not there.....
    I might borrow a sword
    and go looking

    and I better not find them harmed
     
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    Maybe temptation to sin...which isn't the same thing. Jesus was tempted.
     
  19. idav

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    No Thief, Eternity would be in our head because time is fake, a measurement on a ruler, some scribbling on a chalkboard.:p
     
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    You have no knowledge at all to understand the difference between what was formed visibly and how we're created.
     
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