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Featured Is God proven in Theism, for there is dogma of His Existence?

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by questfortruth, Feb 7, 2020.

  1. questfortruth

    questfortruth Well-Known Member

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    To prove something means to demonstrate, that the God agrees with you, as the knowledge of a human is the knowledge, which holds his God. The God of Knowledge. To prove God to God is easy; and so, from the fact that God is proven for theists, and for atheists the God is not debunked, it follows that God is proven for atheists as well.

    As demonstration, that Christian people have proven own God, look up the verses: 1 Corinthians 15:34, Acts 1:3, 1 Corinthians 13:2 and the Christian Theology with the following theorem:

    Thesis: Omniscient One exists.
    Consequence: He knows that the Omniscient One exists.
    Conclusion: in the "treasure chest" of knowledge there is information that the Omniscient One exists.

    Objection: "the Buddhists have proven the transmigration of souls, but the Christians have not debunked it. So, it has been proven for the Christians as well?"

    We are talking about God, not about the transmigration of souls. Do not change the subject. At first step one must prove the theism by separation of it from atheism, and only then one must discover which theistic ideas are true. Do not mix these two steps together!

    Objection: "Thousands of gods in the world. Which of them do actually exist?"

    There is only the Existing God; for God is the name, and so the rest ones are idols that do not actually exist. Agnosticism (as a "scientific scepticism" in God's existence) is nothing more than a logical mistake when the Existing God and the Non-existent idol (satan and his beloved invention - atheism) are taken for one person, cf. Matthew 6:24. Since there is the Existing God and the non-existent god, then the Existing God really exists. From this theory comes out, that atheists are so sure that there is no god, because they have an idol in their minds that does not exist.

    Objection: "Atheists do not believe in their non-existent idol."

    Yes, because he does not exist! The Absolute Nothingness is taken for the idol. They are just the most advanced pagans. On Earth, there are only three basic nations in the eyes of Christian God: Jews, Christians, and Gentiles.

    Finally, if the God of Knowledge is not perfectly 100% proven, then there can not be any knowledge or proof, even physical or mathematical. Because there is no Absolute Judge what is wrong and what is right, even in scientific sense. Therefore, He would have no right to burn atheists and sinners after the Judgement Day. Conclusion: the God is Spirit of Truth Himself.

     
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  2. Ayjaydee

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    Brilliant! Okay, I'm in! Which denomination should I join?
     
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  3. questfortruth

    questfortruth Well-Known Member

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    I would recommend to study the theisms. If you allow, I would give you some logical videos of leading theists (ask in PM).
     
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    [QUOTE="questfortruth, post: 6522258, member: 62284 On Earth, there are only three basic nations in the eyes of Christian God: Jews, Christians, and Gentiles.[/QUOTE]

    The one God is not a Christian God, but the God of Israel, the God of Jesus Christ.
     
  5. questfortruth

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    Finally, if the God of Knowledge is not perfectly 100% proven, then there can not be any knowledge or proof, even physical or mathematical. Because there is no Absolute Judge what is wrong and what is right, even in scientific sense. Therefore, He would have no right to burn atheists and sinners after the Judgement Day. Conclusion: the God is Spirit of Truth Himself.
     
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  6. RabbiO

    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    @questfortruth -

    You keep starting these threads “proving” G-d’s existence, basically advancing the same “proof” each and every time. Your “proof” doesn’t become more credible just because you keep repeating it.
     
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  7. questfortruth

    questfortruth Well-Known Member

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    It is 10000000 times more easy to prove God than to convince people to give me Nobel Prize for that.
     
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    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    You haven’t. Because you haven’t, they won’t.
     
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    Wishful Thinking Fallacy detected!
     
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    Oh, you would get a lot more than a Nobel, ifh ya could
    actually pull off such a stunt.

    "To you personal satisfaction" is not it, tho.
    You might be Ms Universe, by your own standards.

    Probably much more than a million times easier than
    convincing anyone else! :D

    Have you ever considered, btw, that if god could be proved
    then there is no place for faith?
     
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    Ah so desu ka, you looked in the mirror!!!
    Great first step.
     
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    Hmm. You are right. Next time, he is a-going to ig city.
     
  13. Quintessence

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    You do realize that in polytheism, many if not most of the gods are quite literally various aspects of our reality? But sure, the sun doesn't exist. Our planet doesn't either. Or abstract principles like creativity. Nope, it's all an illusion.

    Wait... are you a closet believer in the Eastern religious principe of Maya?

    Sorry, I should be a bit more serious, but... well, it's hard to take this sort of thinking seriously. I see it from both theists and atheists, and every time it makes me LOL a bit. Take this as an example of why it is important to define what god-concepts and theologies one intends to address, because arguments become absurd pretty fast if one doesn't specify. :sweat:
     
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    Hard to take anyone too seriously when they just glibly
    make things up and then ponderously promote then
    as perfect phacts.
     
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    :shrug: Everyone tells their stories. It's not like this is unique. I find it useful to aim to understand the stories, if nothing else. I suppose that's the academic in me.
     
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    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Has anyone seen my transmogrified soul?

    I think it migrated with the ducks last year and ended up on some Chinese menu served with orange sauce.
     
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    Ha, Same here, I view this as cultural anthropology.
     
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    That theists find god to be a proven entity and atheists do not is because atheists have a much higher standard of evidence, which theists have not met.

    Correction, Most atheists don't say god is nonexistent, but that there's insufficient reason to believe he exists. Come up with sufficient evidence for god's existence and these atheists will change their minds and believe he exists.

    And what's with this "idol" crap?

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  19. questfortruth

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    that is agnosticism, not atheism.. Let me add:
    To prove something means to demonstrate, that the God agrees with you, as the knowledge of a human is the knowledge, which holds his God. The God of Knowledge. To prove God to God is easy; and so, from the fact that God is proven for theists, and for atheists the God is not debunked, it follows that God is proven for atheists as well.
     
  20. Skwim

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    Atheism is about belief or, specifically, what you don't believe.
    An atheist doesn't believe in any gods.​

    Agnosticism
    is about knowledge or, specifically, about what you don't know.
    An agnostic doesn't know if any gods exist or not.
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    Okay, demonstrate your god exists.


    Care to rephrase so this makes sense? If not, okay.

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