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Featured Is God Effable?

Discussion in 'Comparative Religion' started by SalixIncendium, Mar 15, 2019 at 6:28 AM.

  1. SalixIncendium

    SalixIncendium Resident Hermit
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    Is your concept or perception of God, the Absolute, Brahman, or whatever term you use to reference the ultimate divinity, effable in your religious or spiritual views?

    If not, why not?

    If so, how?
     
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    Gods are effable. What do you mean how?
     
  3. SalixIncendium

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    I’m not talking about gods. Please reread the OP.
     
  4. BSM1

    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    Yes.....and no.
     
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    Salix, I'm confused. Gods would be the polytheist variant of "whatever term you use to reference the ultimate divinity." If you intend to exclude polytheism for some reason, that's fine, but that's not clear from the OP. :sweat:

    But the answer is yes, for this polytheistic pantheist. That said, human comprehension is necessarily limited and while words can be used to describe the gods, they never capture anything in full.
     
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    It's not. It's beyond words, beyond time, beyond space.
     
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    Revoltingest Libertarian Capitalist Atheist Baconist
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    I'd settle for affable.
     
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  8. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Whatever you or anyone else is calling "God" is effable.

    Any concept of God is necessarily conceivable. Any perception you call "God" is necessarily perceptible.

    Anything that can't be conceived of or referred to is not the concept you're referring to as "God."

    If God is inconceivable, then when you use the term "God" in a sentence, you're not expressing meaning; you're only making sounds.
     
  9. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    How can a word (e.g. "God" or "Brahman") be beyond words?
     
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    Even quantum physics is not effable......
     
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  11. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    God is one member of the set of gods. Since God is a god, anything that applies to gods in general applies to God... no?
     
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    God I know can only be described in terms of my own personal experience of what He represents given my surrender to Him in acknowledgement. Because I pursue sata-advaita, namely the seeking of truth through truth accommodation, whatever I am and have done in my life is a description of that God's character and intentions for mankind.
     
  13. Jedster

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    Ok here is a fable

    The Man and the Wooden God - An Aesop's Fable. In the old days men used to worship stocks and stones and idols, and prayed to them to give them luck. It happened that a Man had often prayed to a wooden idol he had received from his father, but his luck never seemed to change.
     
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    I have a wooden Ganesh.
    But I don't pray to him.
    We just enjoy each other's company.
     
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    I have an iron Ganesh who is, as you say, great company.
     
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    My Lakshmi statue is brass.
    Pee Wee Herman & Dobby are plastic.
     
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  17. Vinayaka

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    The word isn't beyond words. God is. I certainly don't 'know' though. It's just what all the sages say about it.
     
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    So the thing you're referring to with words is beyond words? This still doesn't make any sense.
     
  19. Vinayaka

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    hehe ... Yes, it makes no sense.
     
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    In my understanding for Baha'is the following is representative:

    THE UNKNOWABLE ESSENCE

    "All the people have formed a god in the world of thought, and that form of their own imagination they worship; when the fact is that the imagined form is finite and the human mind is infinite. Surely the infinite is greater than the finite, for imagination is accidental while the mind is essential; surely the essential is greater than the accidental.
    Therefore consider:

    "All the sects and peoples worship their own thought; they create a god in their own minds and acknowledge him to be the creator of all things, when that form is a superstition -- thus people adore and worship imagination.

    "That Essence of the Divine Entity and the Unseen of the unseen is holy above imagination and is beyond thought. Consciousness doth not reach It. Within the capacity of comprehension of a produced reality that Ancient Reality cannot be contained. It is a different world; from it there is no information; arrival thereat is impossible; attainment thereto is prohibited and inaccessible. This much is known: It exists and Its existence is certain and proven -- but the condition is unknown."


    ~ Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith - Abdu'l-Baha Section, p. 381
     
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