No one can prove they are not willfully ignorant, and it is a loathsome accusation. We are all friends here, so please raise your standards of conversation. Do not substitute insults for discussion.
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Is God an Alternative Fact?
- Thread starter TDselector
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McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
TDselector
Is God an Alternative Fact?
So you are asking me to lower my standards to meet with those who lack the conviction of their own opinions in contradiction to their own reality? To willfully ignore such a position is also known by several other terms which I will not get into. Opinions, including my own, are without merit if they are not based on the nature of our reality.
TDselector
Is God an Alternative Fact?
We are effects of Nature, not the cause of it.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
You may want to read the forum rules before continuing. Fair warning about not insulting other users. It is discouraged.
TDselector
Is God an Alternative Fact?
Humans are an effect of Nature, not the cause of Nature. Get your facts straight as to what I have been saying.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
You said human nature is not natural.
Which would mean that humans are not natural.
Then you say human are natural.
Make up your mind.
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
I have not see any science so far in this thread. I don't think you know what science is.
TDselector
Is God an Alternative Fact?
I stated, "When we are ignorant of facts, we then use alternative facts to substitute for facts. This is human nature, not nature." You are taking things out of context to suit your agenda of avoiding the the question being asked. Is God an alternative fact?
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
All I have seen thus far from the OP is insults and double speak.
I thought perhaps I was just not smart enough to comprehend the OP's obvious deep deep meaning, but the problem over whether or not humans are natural.....
TDselector
Is God an Alternative Fact?
I am well aware of what science is and is not, do you?
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
If human nature is not natural, what is it?
My answer to your question is "I do not know".
I would further state that neither do you.
TDselector
Is God an Alternative Fact?
What is Natural and what is Nature are two different questions as you should know.
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
Science is a methodology for acquiring evidence.
Science is NOT a methodology for establishing truth.
Science is NOT an excuse to shut off your brain; no matter how many people use it that way.
TDselector
Is God an Alternative Fact?
I agree with #1 and #3 postulates. Do you know why "Science is NOT a methodology for establishing truth."?
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
Science is the method we use to gather the evidence, but it is humans that have the final say on what is truth and what is not truth. Humans use the gathered evidence to help them make a conclusion, but that final determination is not something science can do.
TDselector
Is God an Alternative Fact?
Agreed, science is an effectual study (gather the evidence) of Nature. Now do a keyword search of scientific studies that use both "direct selection and "indirect selection" terms and see how many of the millions of documents use such terms. Then see how such terms were used. You will find that in science, we ignore how we can conduct experiments in the first place which is a fundamental omission error. In science, we ignore the cause of the effects observed in scientific experiments, and since there are two mutually exclusive and jointly exhaustive origin variables that cause all the effects we observe in Nature, the methods used in science are based on omitted-variable bias which in turn leads to false-positive results. This is why "Science is NOT a methodology for establishing truth."
Cephus
Relentlessly Rational
No, then we say we don't know the answer. Not knowing doesn't give us a license to just make something up. The fact that some humans, even most humans, are stupid and irrational is not something to be proud of.
Cephus
Relentlessly Rational
No, gods are not facts at all because they cannot be objectively determined to be factual. They are the subject of beliefs. Empty beliefs if you ask me, but still beliefs.