whirlingmerc
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The catastrophic history of genesis better reflects the geology we see today. Gradualism just doesn't hack it
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Is genesis history? Move event tonight in the us. What say you
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The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Brief reply: Except for the part where there's light on earth before the sun.
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whirlingmerc
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God doesn't need the sun to make light as is said in revelation. I would say the sun appearing in the middle of creation week is like Jesus appearing in the middle of history incarbationslly
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
even briefer: I saw light before the sun this morning
whirlingmerc
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Bryant wood has allot of material supporting a biblical view of Jericho and. Sodom
whirlingmerc
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The Brooklyn papyrus has a lot of Egyptian slaves with Jewish sounding names like menachem isachar Naphtali etc.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I doubt very much that we he has is authentic in any way because there is almost nothing available as evidence prior to 1000 b.c.e..
You have to remember that such claims are a dime a dozen and are typically put out by people who are neither archaeologists nor historians. So, typically what you run across are those who are trying to sell us a book or who have an "agenda".
Ever read BAR?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I have read numerous articles on this and nothing positive is agreed upon by serious researchers. BAR has had numerous articles on this in the past.
Now, I'm certainly not saying that there weren't Jewish slaves in Egypt, just that we really don't know if there were.
And the reality is what difference does it really make as a supposed historical event? Again, what's most important are the morals and values taught within the narrative.
BTW, with your interest, let me recommend you get a subscription to BAR, and I do believe you'll see it as money well spent.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
OK, let me get into some of the lessons found in the 1:1 creation account, but I'll have to be brief.
Since this is repeated throughout this narrative, I chose not to keep on quoting versus that had this in it. Other religions typically believed there were some things created that were evil and must be avoid or placated in some way.
Between us and God were angels, seraphim, etc., which also were not viewed as being separate from God. This has some implications that I can't get into right now that are often overlooked.
Also, note that animals were not to be viewed on the same plane as humans or God, which is important in regards to forbidding animal worship that was found in many cultures.
Undoubtedly, there is more that a Torah scholar could add, plus I had to be brief.
This is earth-shaking because all the neighboring religions were polytheistic and had a mixture of good and bad deities that created different parts of creation. Today, we take monotheism for granted, but it certainly wasn't back then.
"Good" means "complete", which also means "good".
Since this is repeated throughout this narrative, I chose not to keep on quoting versus that had this in it. Other religions typically believed there were some things created that were evil and must be avoid or placated in some way.Notice the sequence here, which is repeated, as this signifies when a new day starts, which was not at "midnight but at sundown.
"Firmament" was viewed as being solid, with the sun, moon, and stars being under the dome. When it rained, the belief was that the dome opened a bit. Even though this is not clear in the accounts, this is what was largely believed. How could they know any different?
Above the dome was "heaven", which people could not see but where God and the angels resided.
Again, notice "good" means "complete".
The moon is important here because we used and still use the lunar calendar.
OK, the early view of this relationship is that we actually were of God in such a way that we were essentially a part of God, which eventually became called a "soul". But this "soul" is not separate from us but is intrinsic. To "lose one's soul" was considered totally catastrophic but possible.
Between us and God were angels, seraphim, etc., which also were not viewed as being separate from God. This has some implications that I can't get into right now that are often overlooked.
Reproduction was viewed as being sacred to the point that one was not considered married until they had sexual relations, although I'm referring to humans, not animals at this time.
Also, note that animals were not to be viewed on the same plane as humans or God, which is important in regards to forbidding animal worship that was found in many cultures.
This of course sets up Shabbat, which is a day of the week, but at this point there is no demand for us to observe it.
Undoubtedly, there is more that a Torah scholar could add, plus I had to be brief.
Trailer review:- Atrocious rubbish packaged nicely.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Well and fine, but that makes it very much so non-scientific and not an accurate historical telling.
And yet the sun was there. Thanks to the curvature of the Earth, your direct view of it was obscured. What I'm talking about is light and day being created before the sun itself.
whirlingmerc
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Movie starting soon lots of scientific experts.
whirlingmerc
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Lots of interesting cases of soft dinosaur tissue found suggesting a younger earth Also interesting that animal tracks are found then many millions of so called geological years bodies fossilized. Go figure
arthra
Baha'i
In the Baha'i Writings it suggests both a creating process and long ages not either or...
"The Creator always had a creation; the rays have always shone and gleamed from the reality of the sun, for without the rays the sun would be opaque darkness. The names and attributes of God require the existence of beings, and the Eternal Bounty does not cease. If it were to, it would be contrary to the perfections of God."
~ Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 281
"...the Essence of Unity (that is, the existence of God) is everlasting and eternal -- that is to say, it has neither beginning nor end -- it is certain that this world of existence, this endless universe, has neither beginning nor end. Yes, it may be that one of the parts of the universe, one of the globes, for example, may come into existence, or may be disintegrated, but the other endless globes are still existing; the universe would not be disordered nor destroyed. On the contrary, existence is eternal and perpetual."
~ Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 179
It's NOT? !!! OMG you can't be posting such things!!! If that is true what is it?
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
They are myths.
What is a myth?
Here is one Definition is this what you are saying?
Myth:
"a widely held but false belief or idea.
"he wants to dispel the myth that sea kayaking is too risky or too strenuous"
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The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
No, that one defines a different manner of myth. Oxford has a better one, though the one you gave is the secondary definition. The first is what I mean:
myth n
1. a story from ancient times, especially one that was told to explain natural events or to describe the early history of a people; this type of story - synonym: legend
ancient Greek myths
a creation myth (= that explains how the world began)
the heroes of myth and legend
2, something that many people believe but that does not exist or is false - synonym: fallacy
It is time to dispel the myth of a classless society (=to show that it does not exist).
Contrary to popular myth, women are not worse drivers than men.
see also urban myth
Mythbusters dispel the second definition of myths. The first cannot really be "dispelled," but can be shown to be unscientific or clearly metaphorical.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
When encased in stone, which is what a fossil is, soft tissue can and has lasted for millions of years under ideal conditions. Dating techniques do show what we call "dinosaurs" going back millions of years ago, and scientists know how these dating techniques work and can adjust them for "margin of error".
Also, if we go back millions or billions of years prior to the emergence of dinosaurs, there's nothing like them ever being found, nor any mammals or humans. So, how did they get here if they were there at "creation"? Would be sorta hard to miss them.