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Featured Is Evil Relative?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Sunstone, Apr 4, 2020.

  1. Samantha Rinne

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    Why do you have two such threads?

    Hearing the same thing twice is not going to convince me to believe it.

    Events have relative moral value, because two people have priorities thar are different. "It's only you and me, and we just disagree." But there are many things that cannot be justified as good, only morally excuses ( rationalized).

    For example, putting hundreds or thousands of people out of work, because "you don't feel safe" is basically telling others to wear a sweater because you're cold to an evil extreme. Likewise, killing a child and harvesting them for parts, even if those parts save lifes, those saved this way would tell you "this is evil". Fighting a war due to a stupid reason (there was a war actually fought over a bucket) is evil.
     
  2. BSM1

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    You might want to re-read the story with a more objective perspective.
     
  3. Conscious thoughts

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    Now when I think about it, it could be an evil relative :confused:
     
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    If you read it CAREFULLY, you will see that what I'm saying is correct. Understand that this is mythology, and that all the "characters" and "events" are symbolic. You've already rightly noted that the tree is the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil", not the, "tree intended to test our obedience". Or the, "tree of God says so, so you no go". Nor does it say anywhere that humans actually received the 'knowledge of good and evil'. Or that humans had the capacity to take from God what God had forbidden them to possess. And once we understand that this didn't happen, it changes the whole meaning and trajectory of the story. The "punishment" becomes self-inflicted, by the hubris of the deception that we (as Adam and Eve) chose to adopt as our truth.
     
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    Is it not possible to likewise kill someone with kindness?
     
  6. EtuMalku

    EtuMalku MERCURÆN LUCIFERIAN

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    I did see your other thread related to this topic, I decided to address this one.

    GOOD/EVIL are both subjective. One man's GOOD will be another man's EVIL. In the objective/physical universe, we are endlessly subjected to the illusions of duality. There is no duality in the sense of polar opposites, everything is unique unto itself, there is no 'parallel universe' effect so to speak.

    Hot is not the opposite of cold, there are simply gradations of both experiences.
    What is decided by a community/society to be 'Evil' is so for the benefit of the community as a whole. Whether you see it this way or agree/disagree, a perpetrator who commits an act against the community's laws can in many instances consider their actions to be beneficial to them, and thus the community laws to be an impediment and act of Evil towards their pursuit of happiness (e.g.)
     
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  7. PruePhillip

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    In Western societies the notion of evil has been tied to Judean Christian principles.
    This provided a commonality in any discussion. Everyone was singing from the same
    song sheet, even if they weren't honoring the words.
    But in a post modern world where there is no truth (except the Truth-of-Post Modernism)
    truth seems to be redefined on an almost annual basis (ie woke culture)
    One only has to look at how two sides of a military conflict have their own idea of what
    is right and who is right.
    So once abortion was evil and killing whales was good for European lamps. It's terrifying
    there is no longer any absolutes.
     
  8. Brian TD

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    Very interesting thoughts! I tend to agree with you PruePhillip. You seem to have a good handle on the issue of moral absolutes. I'm curious now, as to what you believe to be true about God?
     
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    And who gets to decide if something is with or without justification?
     
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    Are you truly convinced that there ever was a time when there were moral absolutes? Was there a time when it was ALWAYS evil to perform an abortion, even if it meant losing the life of a woman who already has two infants dependent upon her for survival? Was there ever a time when it was genuinely good that we exterminated an entire species of whales just so Europeans could have a more convenient source of illumination?
     
  11. PruePhillip

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    I used the abortion/whales as an example.
    There never was a commonality of values, but what existed was that people had
    more in common than they do today. And values were more human-centric.

    As for abortion. The further along the pregnancy is the more repugnant it becomes.
    There are those who want to televise capital punishment - the aim being to make it
    real to those who support it. Ditto for abortion - show how they stop a baby's heart,
    crush its skull, vacuum out the brain matter then pull the baby, or bits of it, out of the
    cervix. Show it in 4k.
     
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    Are we talking about the Judaeo Christian God?
    If so then the God presented to us in the bible. Being Christian I would read the
    New Testament more, with particular attention to the Gospels. Here we don't
    just read doctrine (Matt 5,6,7) but there's a picture of what living is acceptable
    to God.
     
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    Yes, most of my relatives are evil.
     
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