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Featured Is Death Evil?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by SalixIncendium, Sep 21, 2019.

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  1. Conscious thoughts

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    I do not worry you trying to convert me :) I believe if you found truth in Jesus and his teaching that is very good and I am happy for you :)
    Buddhism is a lot about seeing things as they truly are. example death is unavoidable as long we are in human body (physical life) And the fear of death lay often in attachments to life, we are afraid of losing everything we accumulated during a long life. Not death in itself i would think :)
     
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    Oh? What platform might that be?

    We can go back to your thread and debate the Bible. I created this thread so we can discuss/debate the evil of death from the perspective of any religion or none at all.

    But since you said "please," I'll throw you a bone. Please quote the Biblical Scripture that states that non-human animals are "Biological Artificial Intellegence: bio-robot(s)."
     
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    Death isn't evil, murder is. Murder has evil intentions.
     
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    Yes, I find death is evil as in being a calamity, so death is Not anyone's friend.
    If Adam had Not broken God's Law then Adam would still be alive today.
    Since we were all born ' after ' Adam's downfall is why we inherited his human imperfection leading to death.
    Because we can Not resurrect oneself or another is why we need someone to resurrect us. Jesus can and will.
    Then, through Jesus ' Enemy Death ' will be No more according to 1 Corinthians 15:26
     
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    I think most would agree that Murder is evil.
    However, at times an Execution for the sake of the righteous is Not an evil.
    Murder and Killing, and an Execution brings forth premature enemy death.
    But death in itself is still an evil because death is a calamity outside of God's original purpose for humans.
    The time is coming when ' Enemy Death ' will be No more on Earth as per 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
     
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    If we got ourselves to the point of murdering someone then that state of reality is UGLY.
     
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    Yes, I agree ' the physical realm ' because according to the Bible physical Adam died in the physical realm.
    Mortal Adam's body died and that body included ALL of Adam.
    All of Adam was fashioned from the dust of the ground. (No pre-human existence for Adam)
    Dead Adam simply 'returned ' to the dust of the ground as per Genesis 3:19
    A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before.
    Thus, Adam went from non-existence, to existence, and returned back to non-existence.
    There was No post-mortem penalty or reward for Adam. No double jeopardy just going back to the dust.

    If there was a part of us that lived on there would be No need for a resurrection.
     
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    Yes, UGLY like having a seared conscience that is so calloused without feeling left, but an execution for justice for the sake of the righteous is Not murder.
     
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    Since i am not Christian we may see it in different ways, but the way i see it is Adam and Eve is only symbolic the first human beings, and the reason why i believe in reincarnation is that as long we have not realized the full truth (enlightenment) we are bound to be born in a physical realm so we experience suffering. only when we realize why we suffer and we realize enlightenment we no longer will be reincarnated. and when this body dies we become only truth.
     
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    Well, death is more than just the end of life. If it was only that then it would be nothing really. You would know nothing, remember nothing. Be nothing for ever. No big deal for most people. Although some people would hate the idea.

    But, when we die we face a judgment and that's why it is not taken lightly. (Matthew 10:28)

    But even if we did not face a judgment. I believe we weren't originally created to die. It makes no sense. So we were made immortal originally. Sin resulted in death. (Romans 6:23) That's why Satan had the "power of death". (Hebrews 2:14) Which is why Jesus came to die so that He could actually destroy death and take away the devil's power over mankind. If the devil can't really kill you then he no longer has that power over you. Thanks to Jesus, he cannot permanently kill anyone who has Jesus as their Life. Because Jesus will raise them up again.
     
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    Yes, an untimely demise is totally wrong, like what happened to the people in New York at 9 /11.
    They were like the people who died when the Tower of Siloam fell on them according to Luke 13:4-5
    I find their untimely death was due to being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
    Time and unforeseen events can happen to all of us - Ecclesiastes 9:11
    So, although an untimely death is wrong, a timely resurrection is right.
     
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    You are Not alone in thinking Adam & Eve are symbolic, but Not according to the Bible.
    In brief, Jesus was related to Adam as per Luke 3:38.
    Luke used those Jewish ancestral records starting with 1 Chronicles naming Adam as a real live person.

    To me the Bible book of Job explains why we suffer.
    Satan challenged the man Job and by way of extension includes all of us.- Job 2:4-5.
    Satan said ' touch our flesh...' ( meaning loose physical health ) and we would Not serve God.
    We find both Job and Jesus under adverse conditions proved Satan a liar and so can we.
    Instead of reincarnation the Bible teaches resurrection.
    Most people believe only in a heavenly or spirit resurrection.
    But what we can learn from the Bible is also about a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection.
    The time is coming when there will be ' healing ' for earth's nations as per Revelation 22:2
    This 'healing' will be in fulfillment to God's promise to father Abraham as found at Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18.
    God promised that ALL families of Earth will be blessed.
    God promised that ALL nations of Earth will be blessed.
    Blessed with the benefit of good health (No suffering) or as Isaiah 33:24 says that No one will say, " I am sick..."
    This is why the Bible invites us to pray the invitation of Rev. 22:20 for Jesus to come !
    Come and end all suffering on Earth as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.
     
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    I find at death Jesus taught the dead are Not in judgement but in sleep - John 11:11-14
    This is also what the OT teaches at Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5
    Not in judgement because death (Not death plus anything else) is the price tag that sin pays in full -Romans 6:23,7
    So, what a person does 'after' they are resurrected is what they will be judged by.

    The living are going to face a judgement at the soon coming ' time of separation' to take place on Earth as per Matthew 25:31-33,37,40
    Those judged as righteous ones can remain alive on Earth and continue to live on Earth right into the start of calendar Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year reign over Earth.
     
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    I have no post 9.

    Must be from someone on my Ignore list, I suppose.

    That figures.
     
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    The righteous sleep that is they rest in paradise. Sorry to say that the wicked are not given any peace however. (Isaiah 48:22, Isaiah 57:21)

    There are two resurrections the first of the just. Who are the redeemed of Jesus Christ and all those who came before righteous in their time such as Daniel. (Daniel 12:13) and then the 2nd resurrection of all the "nations". Goyim. Who will then be divided between sheep and goats. Those who are counted worthy of mercy and clemency will be saved (because Jesus saw some good thing in them or reason for mercy) and those who Jesus considers not worthy will be lost.

    Then in the end of all who are saved no one will boast in anything but Jesus Christ because all will be saved through the mercy and clemency of God. That is whether they were in the first or second resurrection. Because only God is good and everyone else has gone astray and if it weren't for Him they would've remained lost sheep with no hope.

    It does a person good to show mercy and clemency. To forgive their enemies and love their neighbor. Because God will show people mercy as they showed it. (Psalm 62:12) But who will come forth of them all? (Ecc. 7:18)
     
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    No, it’s not evil. It’s just another part of life. Not one we ordinarily look forward to, but one we’re obligated to experience. My beliefs say it’s a transition: “Even as the attainment of childhood, youth and old age is to one in this physical life, so is the change to another body at death for the embodied soul. Wise men are not deluded by this.” BG 2.13
     
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    Everything has it's season, it's just a natural part of the cycle.
    At least that is the way I see it
     
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    I think if all ancient and current Philosophical circumstantial evidence concerning the creation of the universe were taken into account, we would find that physical death of every living thing was an unnecessary addition to the universe and surely not an expected desire of it's creator.
     
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    That's a matter of perspective. Some would say that disease, natural disasters and the like are evil. They're not necessarily implying conscious malice there, more that the effects of these things (destruction, suffering, grief) are sufficient for them to be classed as evil.

    Personally, I don't take that view. To my mind the ultimate horror is unending life. As awful as it is to lose a loved one, death becomes a lot less sinister when you consider the alternative.
     
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    I don't believe that death is "natural" for humankind. Our response to it demonstrates an inbuilt need to keep on living.....even when told that we have a terminal illness. Belief in some kind of continuing life after death in some way confirms that death is an enemy for us, rather than evil. The manner of one's death may be evil, but death in itself makes no sense if we have no *program* for it. Animals seem to take it in their stride. We do not.

    Certain situations make death doubly tragic especially when the life lost is a child.....or when much suffering has to be endured beforehand.

    Sin is not demonic possession, but simply a loss of perfection. It's an archery term that means "to miss the mark". Humans are no longer perfect. Sickness, aging and a propensity to do the wrong thing entered their lives.....and death followed. None of which is 'natural' for us. If it was natural, we would not grieve.

    Since ability to sin only applies to free willed beings, that would eliminate plants and animals who have a natural cycle of life and death. In their 'death', they provide billions of other creatures with food to sustain them and keep the Eco-system functioning as it was designed to. Humans had the assignment of being caretakers, zookeepers, landscape gardeners and suitable representatives of the Creator, having his qualities and attributes to assist in their role.
    Free will was intended to be a gift.....but abusing it, turned it into a curse. We are in the process of learning how to drive it properly. Not all are open to doing that unfortunately. For them, the lesson is lost.

    Oh, I hope not....there is nothing wrong with the earth itself....it is still perfect despite the fact that humans keep looking for ways to destroy all life here. God promises to step in before that happens....so it must be soon. (Revelation 11:18)

    For those of us who believe that God created the universe and everything in it, including the laws by which everything functions, then it stands to reason that he did not create the earth to be destroyed. It is science's opinion that our sun will be our ultimate demise, but believers have more faith in the Creator than in the musings of science.

    I know that these question were not directed to me personally, but on reading your response, I felt a need to clarify a few things....

    "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" is clearly demonstrated in threads like these. A thorough knowledge of God's instruction manual clears up all questions about why we are here and what the future of mankind on this earth will be. It gives me a future that I can look forward to. :)
     
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