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Is Christianity Picked On?

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
It's January 4th and I just broke my New Year's resolution not to listen to bimbo talk show hosts. The bimbo talk show host I'm listening to at the moment is trying his hardest to make a case that Christianity is the only religion left that we are allowed to pick on. He says that if any other religion is picked on these days, there is a public outcry, but if Christianity is picked on, there is only silence. Do you think this is true? Does the bimbo talk show host have a point? Is it permissable to pick on Christianity in ways that it's not permissable to pick on other religions? What do you think?
 

fromthe heart

Well-Known Member
Sunstone said:
It's January 4th and I just broke my New Year's resolution not to listen to bimbo talk show hosts. The bimbo talk show host I'm listening to at the moment is trying his hardest to make a case that Christianity is the only religion left that we are allowed to pick on. He says that if any other religion is picked on these days, there is a public outcry, but if Christianity is picked on, there is only silence. Do you think this is true? Does the bimbo talk show host have a point? Is it permissable to pick on Christianity in ways that it's not permissable to pick on other religions? What do you think?
Yes it is a hot topic and not a sacred one as most religions are...why...because we as Christians all turn the other cheek and let God do our fighting for us. Not sure what bimbo you were listening to but QUIT THAT...you're breaking your resolution...smile. Now whether it's permissable is all perspective...don't think God thinks so but if they are picking on we Christians they are leaving someone else alone so it serves somewhat of a purpose.:)
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Sunstone said:
It's January 4th and I just broke my New Year's resolution not to listen to bimbo talk show hosts. The bimbo talk show host I'm listening to at the moment is trying his hardest to make a case that Christianity is the only religion left that we are allowed to pick on. He says that if any other religion is picked on these days, there is a public outcry, but if Christianity is picked on, there is only silence. Do you think this is true? Does the bimbo talk show host have a point? Is it permissable to pick on Christianity in ways that it's not permissable to pick on other religions? What do you think?
Does the bimbo talk show host have a point?
Probably.

We have to be so politically correct, that we are not allowed to make fun of any ethnic minority Religion any more, without risking the wrath of the courts.

I guess that leaves our own home grown Christianity, to be the sole target for 'picking fun at people'. Add to that the fact that any Christian worth his salt will want to turn the other cheek when made fun of, and I guess that makes followers of that faith an easy target.

The strange thing is that we have an Iranian commedian who is becomming incredibly popular here, on Television shows. He makes the funniest jokes about Islam, and pokes fun at his own Country. Of course, he can get away with it - any Englishman doing the same would be hauled away in double quick time.:rolleyes:
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Sunstone said:
It's January 4th and I just broke my New Year's resolution not to listen to bimbo talk show hosts. The bimbo talk show host I'm listening to at the moment is trying his hardest to make a case that Christianity is the only religion left that we are allowed to pick on. He says that if any other religion is picked on these days, there is a public outcry, but if Christianity is picked on, there is only silence. Do you think this is true? Does the bimbo talk show host have a point? Is it permissable to pick on Christianity in ways that it's not permissable to pick on other religions? What do you think?
It is permissible to respond to anyone who is active in the public arena. Some Christians are actively trying to "Christianize" the public arena. Therefore, their views become part of public discussion, which may include ridicule.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
fromthe heart said:
Yes it is a hot topic and not a sacred one as most religions are...why...because we as Christians all turn the other cheek and let God do our fighting for us. Not sure what bimbo you were listening to but QUIT THAT...you're breaking your resolution...smile. Now whether it's permissable is all perspective...don't think God thinks so but if they are picking on we Christians they are leaving someone else alone so it serves somewhat of a purpose.:)
Yes, quite!! Sunstone, stop watching that rubbish forthwith, and watch some educational program, like one hosted by Ruby Wax, or someone of her ilk..........:D
 

MdmSzdWhtGuy

Well-Known Member
Michel,

I saw that Iranian/English comic, kind of an overweight bald guy, right? He blew me away. Not a lot if Middle Eastern comics out there, and this guy definately did some material that nobody else in the world could do. Kind of like how only black comics can do black jokes, he was hilarious on his treatment of al Quaeda, a decidedly unfunny subject.

Back to the topic of Christians being picked on, martyrdom has been a big part of the Abrahamic religions for centuries, why should the idea of martyrdom stop? Nobody is being fed to the lions any more, but Christians and Muslims seem to love the idea that they are suffering for their beliefs, even when they are not.

In America, 85% of folks identify themselves as Christians. How exactly is 85% of the population being discriminated against, or picked on?

B.
 

jonny

Well-Known Member
In my opinion, religious bigotry is still one of the only socially acceptable forms of bigotry. I find it very sad. I don't think it is confined to Christians though.
 

Buttons*

Glass half Panda'd
Christians at my school think that they're fighting a battle against the world. We take a class that teaches us how to defend against false preachings and conversions. They call mormonism, wicca, and Hinduism cults. They claim that they are discriminated against, and yet, they attack other cultures. I've had a BAD outlook on the Chistians saying "poor us, we get picked on"... enough, im upset just thinking about it...
 

TheGreaterGame

Active Member
Sunstone said:
It's January 4th and I just broke my New Year's resolution not to listen to bimbo talk show hosts. The bimbo talk show host I'm listening to at the moment is trying his hardest to make a case that Christianity is the only religion left that we are allowed to pick on. He says that if any other religion is picked on these days, there is a public outcry, but if Christianity is picked on, there is only silence. Do you think this is true? Does the bimbo talk show host have a point? Is it permissable to pick on Christianity in ways that it's not permissable to pick on other religions? What do you think?
I think that's a good sign that we are on to the truth . . . Jesus pick up your cross and follow him . . . follow him and die . . . becoming a Christian in some countries is a death sentence . . . American Christianity needs a good persecution to cleanse the Church.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Sunstone said:
Does the bimbo talk show host have a point?
Yes, but if he combs his hair right, no one will notice. His point, that is! :D

Here is the real problem. There is MUCH that is done by those who call themselves Christian which is completely hypocritical and wrong. They DESERVE to be called on the carpet for their bigotry and narrow mindedness.

Unfortunately, many who are not Christians will stoop to debasing the entire religion instead of those FEW individuals who are not acting in the spirit of Christianity. By the use of an unjustly broad brush, they commit the same sins of those who they condemn.

Frankly, I am tired of those who believe differently than I do telling me just what I am supposed to believe. When I disagree with them, they continue to paint my beliefs with the colors of their preconceptions. It's hurtful, unkind and does nothing to bring about a mutual understanding of our beliefs AND our differences. More importantly, it shows a real bias against Christianity and quite often these bigots don't even see it!

So yes, I feel that there are many who feel that they need to expose every foible and fault in every Christian and yet take grave umbrage when the spotlight is focused on their own bigotry.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
michel said:
Yes, quite!! Sunstone, stop watching that rubbish forthwith, and watch some educational program, like one hosted by Ruby Wax, or someone of her ilk..........:D
I can't help it. I'm addicted! I'm looking for a 12-step program and a support group to help me withdraw from listening to talk show hosts.
 

s2a

Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
Sunstone asked:

"Is it permissable to pick on Christianity in ways that it's not permissable to pick on other religions? What do you think?"
I suppose this question is left to the experiences and environments in which one is raised, in thusly predicating an ultimately (and admittedly) biased perspective in answer.

As noted caveats, I was born in the US of parents of long generational lineage as resident citizens. My upbringing included exposure to religious (Methodist) beliefs, but my immediate familial environment was ambivalently irreligious, My parents were not especially "pro" or "con" (nor neither espoused) religious beliefs/traditions, nor were they adherents of any sort of religious indoctrination practices (at least as far as I was concerned). The impact and effects of predominantly "Christian" beliefs and "values" were inescapable and unavoidable as "majority" adherence aspects in politics and civic policy/discourse in the days of my parent's own intemperate youth in the 1950's. "Commies" were "godless heathens", and it was, umm, "unpopular" to be either a Pinko or an unconcerned agnostiic/atheist in those tumultuous and fear-laden days of Joseph McCarthy and the "Red Scare".
[Note: It is not with a small sense of irony that Evangelicals today protest of "persecution", "character assassination", and "ridicule", in much the same manner of argument and special pleading that McCarthy employed in his own defense back in his day.]

If we limit our (or my own) answer [to the question at hand] to an uniquely American perspective, one could presumably argue that Christianity is called upon to bear the brunt of ridicule of religious beliefs/claims (in general) within our own borders, because...well, it's the overwhelmingly self-ascribed/avowed religious affiliation in the US.

Besides, some of the most idiotic and inane rationales proffered by prominent (or less so) Christian adherents/televangelists/politicians are so inflammatory, so (purposefully) divisive, and so blatantly outrageous (or even frightening) in circumspect contemplation...as to perspicaciously invite sardonic/sarcastic/bombastic ridicule in modest (and even necessarily important) balance - with reason, and related to/rooted within the foundational constitutional principles and unambiguous initial intentions of their predicated origins.
[Aside: Does anyone really question the prevalence of both good-natured and ill-spirited mocking of those of Jewish faith and traditions? Jews represent only 2% of religious adherents in the US, but "Jew jokes" are as popular as ever. Fortunately for the Jews, they have no popular evangelizing TV rabbis to apologize for...or from which to distance themselves. Atheists, agnostics, paganists, Hindus, Muslims, etc. revel in similar good fortune...as Christians retain the only palpable overwhelming monopoly over: religious TV/radio broadcasts; print media; elective/appointed political offices, and; total houses of worship - in the US. When you get to be "front and center" in virtually every aspect of civic/cultural policy/discourse in a country, you should expect a proportionate degree of evaluative commentary/satire.]

Lest we forget the reasons why Christianity and it's more outspoken advocates/adherents are the subjects of duly earned proportionate jest and derision, a few motivational reminders...

...from some noted American Christians...

"Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history."
-- Pat Robertson, interview with Molly Ivins, 1993

Stunningly, stupefyingly idiotic.

"Let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good.... If a Christian voted for Clinton, he sinned against God. It's that simple.... Our goal is a Christian Nation... we have a biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want Pluralism. We want theocracy. Theocracy means God rules. I've got a hot flash. God rules."
-- Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue

"When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd [abortion doctors and escorts] better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we will execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed... If we're going to have true reformation in America, it is because men once again, if I may use a worn out expression, have righteous testoserone flowing through their veins. They are not afraid of contempt for their contemporaries. They are not even here to get along. They are here to take over... Somebody like Susan Smith should be dead. She should be dead now. Some people will go, "Well how do you know God doesn't have a wonderful plan for her life?" He does, it's listed in the Bible. His plan for her is that she should be dead."
-- Randall Terry, at the Aug 8, 1995 U.S. Taxpayers Alliance Banquet in Washington DC

"The [Supreme} Court by seeking to equate Christianity with other religions merely assaults the one faith. The Court in essence is assailing the true God by democratizing the Christian religion."
-- John Whitehead, founder & president of the Rutherford Institute

"I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over and Christians will be running them."
-- Jerry Falwell, "America Can Be Saved"

"...Christian values should dominate our government. The test of those values is the Bible. Politicians who do not use the Bible to guide their public and private lives do not belong in office."
-- Beverly LaHaye, Concerned Women for America

"Clearly our nation was founded for a particular purpose and that purpose was, among other things, the propagation of the Gospel of Christ."
-- Bill Gray, Legal Advisor to Gov. James of Alabama

"It is your god-given right to destroy any man or woman calling themselves doctors who willingly slaughter innocent children."
-- Keith Tucci, Executive Director, Opration Rescue

"No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
-- Pres. George Herbert Walker Bush, Boulder Daily Camera, February 27, 1989

"The Supreme Court of the United States of America is an institution damned by God almighty."
--Jimmy Swaggart, televangelist (self-confessed adulterer, liar, and cheat - but "saved"!)


...and some other noteworthy (albeit "foreign") Christian ruminations...


"Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but -- more frequently than not -- struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God."

"Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed."
-- Martin Luther, Christian reformist

"Hitlers war is a noble undertaking in defense of European culture".
--Cardinal Baudrillart, July 30, 1941

"The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless they were able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of their brethren in eternal fire."
--Pope Gregory I (the Great)

"If my own father were a heretic, I would personally gather the wood to burn him"
-- Pope Paul IV

"From the polluted fountain of indifferentianism flows that absurd and erroneous doctrine, or rather raving, which claims and defends liberty of conscience for everyone. From this comes, in a word, the worst plague of all--liberty of opinions and free speech"
--Pope Gregory VI

Is it "permissable" to (unfairly) "pick-on" Christianity?

Thank goodness, the answer is...yes.

Proverbs 22:8 - "He who sows wickedness reaps trouble, and the rod of his fury will be destroyed."

May such cautionary wisdom be embraced by all.

Amen. ;-)
 

retrorich

SUPER NOT-A-MOD
Is Christianity Picked On?
No way! Christianity is by far the majority religion in this country, and our sorry excuse for a president is shamelessly pushing a bigoted Christian agenda. So stop whining!
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Those are some rather scary quotes you've come up with, s2a. I don't think they represent the sentiments of the majority of Christians in this country, however.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
S2A

I would also point out that all those people you quoted were cauasion. Perhaps you should rail against all the honkies instead of just the Christians?
 
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michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Is it "permissable" to (unfairly) "pick-on" Christianity?

Thank goodness, the answer is...yes.

Proverbs 22:8 - "He who sows wickedness reaps trouble, and the rod of his fury will be destroyed."

May such cautionary wisdom be embraced by all.

Amen. ;-)
I thought was a tad cheeky!;)
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
s2a said:
Is it "permissable" to (unfairly) "pick-on" Christianity?

Thank goodness, the answer is...yes.
I have difficulty accepting the notion that it is permissable to unfairly pick on anyone.
 

Pah

Uber all member
michel said:
...we are not allowed to make fun of any ethnic minority Religion any more, without risking the wrath of the courts....
There is little risk in the United States. But I see less of "making fun of" than I do some serious critisim. While it is certainly true that not all Christianity is of the egregrious variety, there does seem to be an acquiescence to some behaviors that would not fit the mold Christ would have made. For this, the "nice" Christianty comes into a circle of blame.

There is little doubt in my mind that Christ would be "tipping tables", spewing money, and chasing the money providers out of the business of his church. Christian lobbyist is an oxymoron and yet it thrives in a sizeable chunk of today's Christianity. One must remember that is was not Christ but Augustine that envisioned the City of God here on earth - Christ's kingdom is elsewhere.

Maybe Christianity deserves to be picked on?
 
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