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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Muffled, Apr 13, 2017.

  1. columbus

    columbus yawn <ignore> yawn

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    I see no reason to believe that.
    Perfect would include "knows enough about the destruction caused by sin to know not to do it".
    In other words, having all the relevant information to make the right choice is REQUIRED to have free will. Only Almighty God has that information. Obviously.
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  2. Pudding

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    You mean his definition of "perfect" doesn't including the "immunity to sin"?

    What does "immune to free will" mean?
     
  3. Pudding

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    Why do you think "working towards omnipotence or omniciensce is the task of education"?

    Although i'm not born omnipotence and omniscience, my desire to getting education/knowledge do not have the goal to make me become omnipotence and omniciensce.

    I explore knowledge because knowledge is useful, not because i want to become omnipotence and omniscience.
     
  4. Skwim

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    So you believe that omnipotence or omniscience can be attained through education. How odd. Got any examples of this happening?

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  5. Brandywine

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    I don't think the question mean anything. Are bananas logical?
     
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  6. WINDINWATERS

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    Christianity is only logical if you are a believer in blood sacrifice, Christianity is the number one Baal blood sacrificial cult of this planet
     
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  7. shunyadragon

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    I consider traditional Christianity the most irrational and illogical than most religions, because it results in cultural meld of ancient mythical Babylonian/Canaanite/Ugarite Genesis, and Roman/Hellenist mythology to come up with the 'Fall,' 'Original Sin' as inherited sin, the necessity of the Noah Flood, and the purpose of Jesus as a sacrifice based on ancient mythical beliefs in the purpose of animal sacrifice, necessitates the sacrifice of Jesus to absolve the sins of humanity with this ultimate sacrifice to absolve the sins of humanity, though only those who sincerely believe. This results in a Resurrection Death cult, which results in contemporary Christianity.

    This melding of ancient mythology with Roman/Hellenist mythology results in a non-rational and illogical religion, which results in an intense circular reasoning to justify its beliefs.
     
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    Yes, if bananas are proposed as the purpose and meaning of the Divine origin and nature of our physical existence 'that would be irrational and illogical' (note added).
     
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  9. Muffled

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    I believe none of what you said is logical.
     
  10. Muffled

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    I believe that is false. Christianity means that Jesus eliminates our sin daily. Nothing fixes the problem very well. Basically our spirits need to learn not to sin and that can take a long time.
     
  11. Muffled

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    I believe you are questioning the premise not the logic.

    I believe it takes a cessation of will to keep us from sin.
    Jesus can enter in and it will be His will being done.
    Conclusion: Jesus saves from sin.

    I believe you can look at the logic I posted and see if it has holes in it.

    I believe there are a great number of differences and no scripture reports any relationship to Buddhism.
     
  12. Hubert Farnsworth

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    Depends I suppose. Certainly Christians who deny scientific facts like evolution and plate tectonics are illogical.
     
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    Early Christians were aware of Buddhism, which was practiced in both the Greek and Roman Empires. So, the chances are early Christians mixed Abraham religion with Buddhism.
     
  14. Kemosloby

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    I believe that is false. Everything we do is just symbolic of the real fix. Death of the mortal body of sin and resurrection into the glory of the resurrected body.
     
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    I believe that works for a time but if God returns the world to a temporal age then those whose sins were removed for The Kingdom of God will go right back to sin unless they have learned not to sin.
     
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    I believe without any supporting evidence the odds are vastly against it.
     
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    I don't believe I have ever met a Christian who denies that tectonic plates exist.

    I believe evolution is not a fact except in the imaginations of those who wish it to be. Evolution has facts but the interpretation of those facts certainly can be questioned. It is illogical to assume that science automatically makes everything scientists say correct. The number of times they have had to admit they were wrong should relieve one of that delusion.
     
  18. Kemosloby

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    Have you ever heard the saying "the devil made me do it", And the scripture that says, "It is not I who sins but sin which dwells within me". I get the impression "that which dwells within a person" is removed by death and resurrection, freeing them from sin in a most literal way, something which one cannot learn to do, while sins dwells within them it will always trip them up.
     
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    I believe this works the same way it did for Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane. His physical mind did not want to suffer and die but His spirit (The Spirit of God) was willing. For Paul his physical mind did not want to sin but his spirit wasn't cooperating. So after death and the spirit moves on, that same sinfulness goes with the spirit until the spirit learns to not sin.

    I believe you should not go by feeling but by facts.
     
  20. MrMrdevincamus

    MrMrdevincamus Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter

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    Jesus was God in a mans body. Not fully God and not fully human. He was an atemporal being in a temporal shell with all the wants desires and needs or a regular human. In Christianity God very rarely visits our universe 'as himself' (a supernatural being). I know the bible fairly well and I can only think of two or three times God came to our temporal world as a spirit or supernatural being.. Of course you would have known that if you were not ignorant of the basic facts of what you attempt to criticize . Kem___ Does that sound a bit harsh? 'An eye for an eye' is a good saying even if taken out of context and I did take artistic licenses with it, sorry Jesus. And many of the other 'replies' can be covered the following; 'Its wrong to judge peoples standards that lived in the distant past with our modern standards!' In fact it's simple Christianity bashing ie using the forum just as an excuse to insult the religious and our religion. The rest of the critical replies are not much better. They are hate speech masquerading as debate with some bigotry thrown in....

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