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Featured Is calling God’s curse on people all the time really healthy?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by danieldemol, Mar 23, 2020.

  1. stvdv

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    1 of the 4 below does not fit:
    1: God's curse on people
    2: All are God's Children
    3: God is the Loving father
    4: God Loves Unconditional

    IMHO:
    It (1) is a sign of ignorance

    IF God would curse people then He would curse His Own Creation, so He would curse Himself. If I create (do) something, then I am responsible for my own actions (creations). God being defined as omniscient obviously knows this (if stvdv can figure this out). Such a God cursing Himself makes no sense at all to me.

    Many people don't take responsibility for their actions (creations), so understandable to me, that they believe in a vengeful God

    For me easy to understand. If you have anger and hate in you, you see the world through the glasses of hate. Consequently, you see God as vengeful.

    If you have Love in you, and are connected with Love, you see the world through the glasses of Love. Consequently, you see God as Love.
     
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  2. Vee

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    Wishing bad things on others is not a Godly attitude. What about offering them help to deal with whatever is wrong in their life instead? They might not want help and keep going the wrong way, but that's their choice. I'd rather be kind and have a clear conscience than be mean even if sometimes that's very tempting.
     
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  3. stvdv

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    One can not always oblige, but one can always speak obligingly

    When speaking the truth, even when speaking obligingly, it can hurt the "bad guy" quite a lot. His conscience (God in him) will make him feel very "bad", otherwise he would never give up "bad". Seems like a Universal Karmic Law to keep balance, so that Universe does not spin out of control.
     
  4. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Oh i have been cursed with gods wrath often, even occasionally on these pages but the mods seem to be keen on that so it doesn't happen much and is never repeated.
     
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    No. Fanaticism, or just plain rude. Internet folks in particular enjoy doing it. The number of times I've been called some variation of "stupid/ignorant/god-murderin' Jew who shall burn in hell forever...", well. Okay. Folks like that need help. Or maybe a rehab center for internet addiction, or something.
     
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    Healthy or not, a god who did what I said would be very handy.
     
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    In other countries where the kingdom of God is not nearly as pervasive as it is in the US, such as Senegal, people put curses on people and bad things happen to them. My belief is that the demonic is not nearly suppressed as it is in the US so curses are physically effective. For this reason, there are no atheists in Senegal. I think that atheists only exist in areas where the kingdom of God is or has been pervasive.
     
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    I believe that people do it, although it seems like it would be an idle exercise in futility. If someone is so heavily consumed by hatred that they have to engage in some kind of active ritual to curse someone, then that doesn't seem healthy for the individual uttering the curse.

    On the other hand, I've heard some people say that writing a "dead letter" (never to be sent) to the object of one's hatred is a way of getting it all out and a possible way of letting go of all the hatred.

    Could a "curse" serve the same function, psychologically? Or could it make it even worse?
     
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    I read an article once where someone saw the face of Jesus is omelet.
     
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    There is plenty of implied "cursing" going on in A LOT of RF posts. The person normally doesn't have the moxie to come at their target directly, preferring instead to talk in generalities about various "types" of people who will see their day in "God's court," and will suffer at His almighty hands. From what I have deduced, they are usually including their conversant in with the group who is doomed, but they don't say it directly. Granted, this is a watered-down, passive-aggressive, and abjectly weak/cowardly version of "cursing," but I see it a lot.
     
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  11. Terry Sampson

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    I think I'm familiar with the behavior that you're referring to. If so, I've never considered that to be cursing. It's more like a prophetic utterance, commonly observed among sabbatarian Christians, I believe.
     
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    I have had this directed at me several times in my life by various Christians. I never though to ask them if they were sabbatarian.
    So why do you say sabbatarian Christians in particular?

    (After politely asking them to stop speaking at me, to no avail, I found a stern STFU works well.
     
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    Grave dancing is really dodgy.
    Place one foot wrongly and you've done an ankle in.

    Not that I'm speaking from experience, of course.
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Sabbatarian Christians? That's me....... off to google. :)
     
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    I remember the line from that Grateful Dead song:

    There may come a day I will dance on your grave
    If unable to dance, I will crawl across it
    Unable to dance, I'll still crawl.
     
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    science, has shown us through quantum mechanics and related studies that
    THE OBSERVER AFFECTS THE OUTCOME.
    to varying degrees, but none the less, it is real observable phenomena
    which provides the logic basis for why people worldwide practice this in both the negative and the positive
     
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    God's curse be upon the oppressors, their supporters, and those who silently watch by and do nothing about it. Amen.
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    I visit an extreme Christian forum where it's very easy for a Deist to be cursed to the fires of eternal damnation, and the mods think that's reasonable there. On one occasion I replied to such a comment by calling that member 'sweetheart' and got mod-warned for using an inappropriate title. :p
    Wonderful but true. :D
     
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    I don't know... the Christians who use it seem to believe they're being pretty darn threatening (which I find hilarious) when they do this type of thing. Even something as simple as the words "We'll see" after they just got done telling me that God is going to hold us all to some standard, and that eternal pain and suffering awaits those who have not toed the line, and I get done telling them I don't believe a lick of what they are saying and suggesting that they save their breath - even just those two words can come through with this ridiculous sense of bravado and wholly convinced attitude - like they KNOW you (the one they are conversing with) are going to be counted in those who are punished and you'd better watch out! If that isn't something like cursing someone (even if just "under their breath") I don't know what is. Pathetic.
     
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    My reason for associating the practice with sabbatarian Christians is because I knew for fact that them what were doing such were sabbatarian Christians. I've heard evangelical Christians make the same kind of prophetic utterances, too. But in my experience, sabbatarians tend to say: "You're dead meat." Evangelicals tend to say: "They're dead meat." But then, I'm a Christian and made sure that the would-be prophet knew it. I'm going to speculate that you're not a Christian and that you made that fact known to the would-be prophet. My best guess is that an evangelical who says "You're dead meat" to you is either a Pentecostal or a Southern Baptist having a really bad day. Maybe I ought to poll RF members and see if I can get some statistics to back up my stereotypes.
     
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