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Featured Is Bible literal young earth Christian fundamentalism turning people away from God?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by ERLOS, Jul 12, 2018.

  1. ERLOS

    ERLOS God Feeds the Ravens

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    Peace, brother
     
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  2. A Vestigial Mote

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    It amazes me how often sentiments like this are aired. You sincerely seem to believe that people who ask you where the evidence is for God actually expect some, or think that you might be able to produce some. In my experience, when evidence of God is asked for, it is not really a question at all... it is a statement made in an attempt to get you to realize that your answer is necessarily that you have no evidence of a caliber which might convince anyone else of your claims.

    Believe me... I understand that God doesn't dance. There are quite a lot of things He doesn't do.
     
  3. Marsh

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    The version of God I abandoned was the one set forth by the community in which I lived. That was the only version that meant anything to me, but yes, I think there are many who would make the same observation as yourself -- there are other versions of God besides the one I dispensed with and some of those might have been much more sophisticated.

    I think Micheal Shermer claimed that among scientists the most likely to believe in God were mathematicians, and the least likely were biologists, so that is interesting. Have you ever discussed with her the reason for her belief?
     
  4. ERLOS

    ERLOS God Feeds the Ravens

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    But what makes you think I am interested in convincing anyone of my claims? What makes you think I care what you believe, or don't believe? That it has the slightest influence on my day? It is YOU who keep demanding I explain/prove etc, what i believe.

    But I have no obligation to do so. You cannot DISprove what I believe, and anyway, why does it matter to you so much what I believe?

    It makes you feel good about yourself and intellectually superior to 'theists' just come out and say it.

    Prove God doesn't exist.
     
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  5. Subduction Zone

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  6. ERLOS

    ERLOS God Feeds the Ravens

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    @A Vestigial Mote

    Ie: you are on a Religious website. I am not on an atheist website. So the charge is with you.

    As I've said to you before: if you put an 'a' in front of everything you don't believe in, you'd be calling yourself a lot of 'a' stuff. Why is being a-THEIST so all consuming important to you?
     
  7. Audie

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    No, I have not.

    I generally stand clear of discussing religion with anyone I know
     
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  8. Subduction Zone

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    Just because we are on a religious website that does not make the belief in a god a given and it especially does not mean that your personal version of God is to be accepted without doubt.
     
  9. Windwalker

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    You know, there are times I wonder if that's not so. ;) In a certain sense of the word, one might say so. He is the most primitive and tribal aspects of ourselves unleashed without reserve on the whole world itself; the warrior in us, projecting itself into the person of a narcissistic warlord.
     
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  10. ERLOS

    ERLOS God Feeds the Ravens

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    Oh wow! Thanks for sharing that very deep thought ...
     
  11. Marsh

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    I am not one of those who believes that Bill Clinton's marital indiscretions played a role in his ability to govern, though they may well have made him a bad husband.

    I fully agree with you that people should remain consistent in their moral judgement. What's important here though is people are supporting Trump for reasons that have anything to do with moral values. Oh, and conservatives don't care if they have credibility in the eyes of liberals. For most conservatives liberals themselves have very little credibility.
     
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    I will grant you that Trump is far from a saint, but if Allah (should he exist) be responsible for Trump coming to power then I thank our lucky stars.
     
  13. Subduction Zone

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    It is rather amazing that you made such an obvious error. You still have not learned your lesson.
     
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    Sure, I understand that. He appealed to other things in us. (I just personally chose not to act on those impulses).

    I didn't suggest they did. It's not an issue about liberals and conservatives. I said as far as Christians who could not see past moral indiscretions, to swallowing an entire elephant, and then some, to then turn around and proclaim the higher moral ground because they are servants of Jesus Christ --- well, that is what I meant by someone caring. They have no credibility as self-professed moral authorities!

    Anyone seeking for spiritual truth and guidance, would do far better elsewhere. They have betrayed themselves as the hypocrites they are.
     
  15. ERLOS

    ERLOS God Feeds the Ravens

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    Excuse me?
     
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    Sure. You are excused.
     
  17. ERLOS

    ERLOS God Feeds the Ravens

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    The haters they really are ...
     
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  18. ERLOS

    ERLOS God Feeds the Ravens

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    So you do believe in mind reading?
     
  19. Marsh

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    Understood. There are those who do not handle disagreement well.
     
  20. Subduction Zone

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    Nope.
     
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