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Featured Is Bible literal young earth Christian fundamentalism turning people away from God?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by ERLOS, Jul 12, 2018.

  1. Danny1988

    Danny1988 Member

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    The Roman Catholic church has executed well over 50 million Christian Saints so it is by far the worst enemy of Christians. It forced Christians to abandon their faith in Christ and put the pope before Christ.

    Anyway you're free to believe whatever you like, but i believe the Holy bible is Gods Word and the Catholic Church is in stark opposition to the teaching of Christ.

    I was a Roman Catholic for most of my life, until God opened my spiritual eyes and I saw the truth and it exposed the Catholic Church as an unbiblical man made religion which came from an old Pagan Babylonian religion.
     
  2. ERLOS

    ERLOS God Feeds the Ravens

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    Well, that's a discussion. I disagree with you. But you're right: I'm free to believe.

    What will not change my mind is telling me I'll go to hell if I don't believe God created a mature earth, etc.
     
  3. ERLOS

    ERLOS God Feeds the Ravens

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    I assume you're talking about the inquisition. Spreading the ususl disinformation. You may find the true story of the Inquisition interesting:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2004/06/real-inquisition-thomas-f-madden/

    Of course it was nothing like 50 million deaths. And the great majority were people murdered as witches by the Protestant churches in Europe.
     
  4. ERLOS

    ERLOS God Feeds the Ravens

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    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/issues/february-17th-2017/a-worldwide-force-for-good/

    ... The Church operates more than 140,000 schools, 10,000 orphanages, 5,000 hospitals and some 16,000 other health clinics. Caritas, the umbrella organisation for Catholic aid agencies, estimates that spending by its affiliates totals between £2 billion and £4 billion, making it one of the biggest aid agencies in the world.

    Even these numbers only tell half the tale. Caritas does not include development spending by a host of religious orders and other Catholic charities, while most of the 200,000 Catholic parishes around the world operate their own small-scale charitable projects which are never picked up in official figures. Establishing like-for-like comparisons is hard, but there can be little doubt that in pretty much every field of social action, from education to health to social care, the Church is the largest and most significant non-state organisation in the world....

    https://m.csmonitor.com/World/Afric...e-against-AIDS-a-key-player-hits-a-crossroads

    ... Catholic Church administers 25 percent of all AIDS treatment worldwide, especially in hard-to-reach rural areas. But it's facing new obstacles as funding declines and African governments are under pressure to provide services themselves...

    Evil Catholics
     
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  5. ERLOS

    ERLOS God Feeds the Ravens

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  6. Danny1988

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    OK, I get it you pick and choose what to believe in Gods Word. It doesn't mean you're not saved but you rob yourself of Biblical truth and replace it with secular lies.

    God is almighty He could have created the world in 5 minutes or 5000 years if He wanted to, he can speak anything into existence. I know most Christians don't believe that He is almighty, they limit Him to their own understanding.
     
  7. Ellen Brown

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    The Mormons put their prophet between God and the believer.
     
  8. Danny1988

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    Yes, Joseph Smith was a great deceiver. He promised his followers that they would eventually become gods, now that's a pretty clever sales pitch.
     
  9. ERLOS

    ERLOS God Feeds the Ravens

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    Like I said, shell of the nut. Chew the shell, if you want. I personally believe God gave us commom sense and a mind to discern.

    Please understand that are no point do I wish to disturb anyone else's way to God. Because God knows what's going on in every human heart. But if someone comes and wags a finger under my nose, telling me I must believe in a young earth etc, then I reserve the right to respond. Now I don't say you are that sort of person.

    But what I'm saying is its fine to go out and preach, if that's (your) inspiration, but when it starts to force religion on the secular society which enables all faiths and beliefs to co-exist -- then it's wrong and a lot of people who might otherwise be minded to look for a quiet inner wisdom and peace in Christ will be turned away from Christ by being forced to believe in a literal Adam and Eve etc, else they're bound for hell.
     
  10. Danny1988

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    Us Christians believe there's only one way to God and that's through faith in Jesus Christ alone.

    The Bible tells us that God chose a certain number of people to save before He created the world, the Bible calls them the elect of God. God chooses to save some people and He leaves others in their sins, sealed for hell with no hope of salvation.

    So us Christians are only looking to share the Gospel with Gods elect, because the reprobate will never believe because God has created them to be unbelievers and they can't change what they are.

    Us Christians reject the Roman catholic Churches teaching about salvation, we reject the sacraments as a way of salvation. Only Gods elect are predestined to be saved, the rest of humanity are going to spend eternity in hell.
     
  11. ERLOS

    ERLOS God Feeds the Ravens

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    Like a sort of club, you mean? The Us Christians Club? That excludes the rest of the human race, the neighbours Jesus told us to love?

    How many missionaries does your club have working in leper colonies in Africa?
     
  12. Danny1988

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    We love our neighbors but sadly most of them are going to hell. We can only send a few missionaries due to financial restraints but the Catholic Church should have thousands because it's filthy rich.

    Most so called "Christians" hate God because He only chooses to save some and not all of those who call themselves Christian.

    Catholics believe in man and Christians believe what God said in His Word the Holy Bible
     
  13. ERLOS

    ERLOS God Feeds the Ravens

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    Do you mean after deducting the money spent on private jets televangelist 'prosperity preachers'?

    Do you send any missionaries?
     
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    ERLOS God Feeds the Ravens

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    It doesn't matter what you call yourself. God knows your heart, imo.

    Luke 18:9-14

    Parable of the pharisee and the tax collector ...
     
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    This suggests a history, Gen is pre history. Any chronology begins with Exodus. Genesis is a construction with the purpose of giving the origin of the people 'Israel' whom God made a covenant with (Exodus). It is a collection of ancient oral and written traditions redacted and compiled during the Babylonian Exile.
     
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    It's important to keep this in mind. If presidents were elected on moral principles Kennedy would never have become president. Even Trump supporters can agree that as a man he is a scumbag. We ought not let his lack of morality cloud the real issues of his destructive power over the office he holds.
     
  17. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    No they don't. My salvation is between me and the Lord, not between me and my bishop, me and my stake president or even me and the prophet. It's between me and the Lord. Period. Same goes for you.
     
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  18. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    No, he didn't. He taught them about their God-given potential.

    There is considerable evidence that the doctrine of deification was taught for quite some time after the Savior’s death, and accepted as orthodox. Some of the most well-known and respected of the early Christian Fathers made statements that were remarkably close to the statements LDS leaders have made. For example:

    In the second century, Saint Irenaeus said, “If the Word became a man, it was so men may become gods.” He also posed this question: “Do we cast blame on Him (God) because we were not made gods from the beginning, but were at first created merely as men, and then later as Gods?” At about the same period of time, Saint Clement made this statement: “The Word of God became a man so that you might learn from a man how to become a god.” And Saint Justin Martyr agreed, saying that men are “deemed worthy of becoming gods and of having power to become sons of the highest.” Some two centuries later, Athanasius explained that “the Word was made flesh in order that we might be enabled to be made gods. He became man that we might be made divine.” And, finally, Augustine, said, “But He that justifies also deifies, for by justifying he makes sons of God. For he has given them power to become the sons of God. If then we have been made sons of God, we have also been made gods.”

    Even the noted Christian theologian, C.S. Lewis, said much the same thing in his book "Mere Christianity."

    “The command Be ye perfect is not idealistic gas. Nor is it a command to do the impossible. He is going to make us into creatures that can obey that command. He said (in the Bible) that we were “gods” and He is going to make good His words. If we let Him – for we can prevent Him, if we choose – He will make the feeblest and filthiest of us into a god or goddess, dazzling, radiant, immortal creature, pulsating all through with such energy and joy and wisdom and love as we cannot now imagine, a bright stainless mirror which reflects back to God perfectly (though, of course, on a smaller scale) His own boundless power and delight and goodness. The process will be long and in parts very painful; but that is what we are in for. Nothing less. He meant what He said."

    Finally, according to The Westminster Dictionary of Christian Theology, “Deification (Greek theosis) is for Orthodoxy the goal of every Christian. Man, according to the Bible, is made in the image and likeness of God…. It is possible for man to become like God, to become deified, to become god by grace.”

    Joseph Smith didn't come up with this doctrine. He only restored that which had been lost for many, many years. And he never promised anybody that becoming a god was any kind of an automatic thing that would happen to his followers.

    Now, if you can tell me what on earth any of this has to do with the OP, I would appreciate it very much. If not, perhaps we can get back to what we were discussing at the outset of this thread.
     
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  19. The Emperor of Mankind

    The Emperor of Mankind Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic

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    It's a bigger problem on these islands than you might think at first. Especially since we've entrenched Christian privilege into the education systems on both Scotland & England.

    Here's a report on how a fundamentalist American sect was found to be infiltrating its way into a primary school in central Scotland - by way of the head teacher, of all people - and brainwashing the kids with YEC and 'the Bible is 100% literal' garbage. This happened several years ago, mind you. But this coupled with the rise of Christian-themed anti-choice groups who want to ban abortions shows we're importing a real problem or two from the States.
     
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  20. Earthling

    Earthling David Henson

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    And how do you know this to be true?
     
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