Buttercup said:
I've heard this same argument used to define a Creator for years. Unfortunately...the only thing this line of thinking points to is the fact that we don't know. It's not a definite conclusion of anything.
On the contrary,we can know him if we choose,it's really not up to specualtion,assumptions ,popular opinion,it really is up to the individual.
It's not that we don't know,but what if we could know?,are people afraid that if it is possible they are afraid of what will be expected of them and what they will have to change.
Hbr 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the Lord: for all shall
know me, from the least to the greatest.
Jer 29:13 And ye shall
seek me, and
find [
me], when ye shall search for
me with all your heart.
Pro 8:17 I love them that love
me; and those that
seek me early shall
find me.
Jer 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and
shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.
Jhn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will
manifest myself to him.
Jhn 16:13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come,
he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and
he will shew you things to come.He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall
shew [it] unto you.All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and
shall shew [it] unto you.
I don't know to what extent you have actually called on God and sought him with your whole heart ,but God can be found and he does speak to those who come to him.
I have been a Christian 10 yrs and if it was just a one sided experience and an intellectual assent to some spiritual and religious plateau where I never communicated to or heard God talk with me,never felt his presence I would have left this in the dust.
Let's side with the faulty argument and say it does lead to a Creator. The next question I have is how could we know anything about this Creator who remains silent?
There are many God is not silent to,but that is for the individual to find out
There are those who God won't speak to,the question is why?
Pro 1:28 Then shall they call upon
me, but I will
not answer; they shall seek
me early, but they shall
not find meFor that
they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
Psa 18:41They cried, but [there was] none to save [them: even] unto the LORD, but
he answered them not
Isa 1:15And when ye spread forth your hands, I will
hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
Eze 8:18Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, [yet] will I not hear them.
Pro 11:20 They that are of a froward heart [are] abomination to the LORD: but [such as are] upright in [their] way [are] his delight.
Pro 12:22 Lying lips [are] abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly [are] his delight.
Pro 15:8 The sacrifice of the wicked [is] an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright [is] his delight.
Pro 15:9 The way of the wicked [is] an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.
Pro 15:26 The thoughts of the wicked [are] an abomination to the LORD: but [the words] of the pure [are] pleasant words.
Pro 16:5 Every one [that is] proud in heart [is] an abomination to the LORD: [though] hand [join] in hand, he shall not be unpunished.
Pro 21:27The sacrifice of the wicked [is] abomination: how much more, [when] he bringeth it with a wicked mind?
Pro 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer [shall be] abomination.
Pro 3:32 For the forward [is] abomination to the LORD: but his secret [is] with the righteous.
And then you'll say...."Well, he's written a great and holy book telling you everything you need to know!". My next comment will be, "Oh really? Which one?"[/quote
Start with the one that says, in the beginning God created.
Believe in my word and you will know the truth and the truth will make your free
We think that we need proof for God ,yet we live in a life where we take everything for granted and have to trust and have faith in things in our daily lives that we should really be ashamed of because we never truly varified them.
Yet ironic when it comes to God who says he frogives sins and grants everlasting life to those who will believe him,we question and refute continous,it's quite funny.
It goes something like this ,I trust the mail system,the cook at the restaurant I have never met,the pilot I have never seen,the banker who I can't vouch for and the person next to me ,because I just can't possibly know whether they well pull out a gun and shoot me.We trust our employer who could go bankrupt any moment,It's funny we never fully investigate, evaluate and gather all the proof of their reliability but with God,it's all the world has been doing for centuries
We are forced to trust and have faith in things we implement in our daily lives ,because it's just not practical to a
nalyse,evaluate and look for emperical evidence to prove everything is on the up and up
But the thing is,if you go into this pursuit of God with the intention to disprove him you will not find him or the truth of his word.
The words you read in the bible will fall on deaf ears.
Mat 13:15 For this
people's heart is waxed gross, and
[their] ears are dull of hearing, and
their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should
heal them
If one opens their heart,God will accept those who are broken in spirit and repentitive
Psa 34:18The Lord is close to the brokenhearted; he rescues those who are crushed in spirit.
Psa 51:17The sacrifice you want is a broken spirit. A broken and repentant heart, O God, you will not despise.