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Is Beastiality (Zoophilia) morally wrong or right?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Druidus, Sep 12, 2004.

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  1. It's ok in all cases.

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  2. It's ok, but only if they both consent, and are in a loving, caring relationship.

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  3. It's never ok.

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  4. Only with giant purple space hampsters from Mars, who are named "Boo".

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  1. Druidus

    Druidus Keeper of the Grove

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    Is there something inherently wrong with having sex with a non-human species? Does it depend on whether or not the human rapes the non-human? If it is wrong, what should the punishment be? My opinion is that it is ok, but only when the non-human and human consent, and they are in a loving, caring relationship. I believe love is common to all creatures, and can be spread between all species.
     
  2. Druidus

    Druidus Keeper of the Grove

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    I believe I've made a mistake/ Is there a way for a mod to untick the option that shows what people choose? I must have accidentally ticked it. Thanks!
     
  3. Doodlebug02

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    But currently, there are no known non-human species that have the ability to consent to such a thing. And if they do have the ability, how are we supposed to know that they are consenting? Personally, I think beastiality is disgusting.
     
  4. cardero

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    I apologize for recycling an old response but I think this explanation is applicable to this thread.

    As long as the human and lamb are consenting adults I do not think........................
     
  5. retrorich

    retrorich SUPER NOT-A-MOD

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    Animals are not capable of consenting to sex. Sex without mutual consent is wrong. Therefore, bestiality is wrong.
     
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  6. Druidus

    Druidus Keeper of the Grove

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    What do you base this off of? Non-humans do consent with eachother, through the use of various behaviors.

    By examining the behavior of the non-human in question. If they display the courtship rituals of that species, then we know that they are interested in the human.

    It's not a pretty picture in my mind either, but then again, I don't view homosexuality very high on my list of appealing things either. This is because I am merely not attracted to such things. However, certain individuals are, and we have to try to understand them.

    But then, is all sex that animals may or may not have with each other rape?

    Please note, people, I am not a zoophiliac. I just feel that people who have an attraction to non-humans should be allowed to pursue their interest.

    What is the factor that is morally wrong? Is it because all interspecies sex is unnatural? Or is it just wrong for humans? Non-humans do have interspecies sex. There have been accounts of chimpanzees (our closest living relative), having mutually consented sex with baboons. We know that it is mutuallky consented, because we can see them both enacting the flirting actions of their respective species. Many a time non-humans in zoos have been recorded to have "come on" to their human keepers. Dolphins are quite common in this. Is this not consent?

    For those out there who might base their beliefs on homosexuality being natural because non-humans practice it, then you must also, by logic, agree that interspecies sex is also natural, because non-humans practice it.
     
  7. jewscout

    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    Well the Torah forbids such practices.........but Torah or no Torah i just can't get next to the thought of it....but that's just my personal preference i prefer human.
     
  8. retrorich

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    The topic is bestiality (that is the correct spelling of the word), which I take to mean humans having sex with nonhuman animals. I don't believe that animals are capable of indicating consent for humans to have sex with them. (No, I do not have any proof of that.) I imagine they have ways of communicating consent to others of their specie. If so, animals who have sex with nonconsenting animals might be considered guilty of rape. However, I doubt that they worry about such concepts. If they are able to have sex with another animal without getting seriously bitten or clawed in the process, they are probably content. That may apply to some humans also. :eek:
     
  9. cardero

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    Retrorich I apologize for my last post, sometimes these forums can be so misleading, I was actually going for a little humor there. Of course you cannot obtain consent from an animal but I will tell you this; if it was possible for a human to acquire positive sexual consent from an animal then they probably deserve each other.
     
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    If the animal initiates the encounter couldn't that be construed as tacit concent?
     
  12. retrorich

    retrorich SUPER NOT-A-MOD

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    No problem. :) Humorous or serious, it is an interesting thread.
     
  13. cardero

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    Do you mean like if a cat rubs up against someone’s legs or if a dog is sniffing someone’s area or if a lamb bleats seductively?
     
  14. huajiro

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    I don't understand how an animal could consent to sex with a human. Most animals have sex only because they are driven to (many humans as well for that matter).

    Those few remaining that actually do have sex for pleasure would only want it with an animal of their species because they are driven to (example a dog in heat, birds attracted to each others' plumage, etc).

    Those few that actually would probably have sex with a human would never be able to relay this, except for a dog riding your leg.
     
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    Nor would they have the intellectual capacity to conceive/percieve it as a violation of their BEing.
     
  16. Doc

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    Believe it or not, I have seen pictures of turtles mating with alligators and the turtle seems to not mind too much. It was the most hysterical looking thing ever. (I do not search for these, i happen to come upon a particular post about it)!
     
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    What about gorillas in captivity who have been able to learn sign language (yes, this has been proven) and effectively communicate with their zoo keepers? What would be stopping them from relaying a sexual interest?

    Um,...if bestiality is possible in humans, why would a similar fetish not be possible in other animals? Just because an animal is "supposed to be" driven to other animals of their own kind doesn't mean that its true for all animals of a given species.
     
  18. Bastet

    Bastet Vile Stove-Toucher

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    We had a turkey named Chester, who liked to hump chickens. He squished a few, since the turkey mating dance involves the male 'stomping' on the female. :rolleyes:
     
  19. Druidus

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    :biglaugh: lol
     
  20. Valjean

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    "do you mean like if a cat rubs up against someone's legs...."

    Carrdero -- I was thinking more of Fido making advances on aunt Harriet's leg at the family reunion.
     
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