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Featured Is Baha'u'llah true or false Prophet?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Faithofchristian, Nov 22, 2018.

  1. Faithofchristian

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    The same here, it is not for me to judge anyone on how they live their life. Whether it be LGBT or Atheists, or gay people.

    But however and I believe in some way that you will agree, that if anyone of them came inquiring, seeing that they came to me and not me to them, then will i speak to them in and about why I believe in certain things and why what they do is not for me to tell anyone about on how they are to live their life.
    As I have enough to live my own life, Let alone trying to tell someone else on how to live theirs.
    So possibly we can agree to disagree.
     
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    Dearest Vinayaka, one should never denigrate the sincerely held beliefs of another. All paths belong to God, my friend.
     
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    So, what would you say about this verse:


    "My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD"
    Ezekiel 13:9

    Bahaullah entered land of Israel, so, He could not be a false prophet then.
    By the way, could Jerusalem in scriptures refer to a greater area around it, or even the while Holy Land of Israel?

    According to Wikipedia:


    According to Jewish tradition, Jerusalem is Mount Moriah, the location of the binding of Isaac. The Hebrew Bible mentions the name "Jerusalem" 669 times, often because many mitzvot can only be performed within its environs. The name "Zion", which usually refers to Jerusalem, but sometimes the Land of Israel, appears in the Hebrew Bible 154 times.

    So, if Zion, which is, Jerusalem, can mean Land of Israel, then Jerusalem, may also refer to Israel?
     
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  4. Faithofchristian

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    Why i don't want to know about their faith.

    Because what they believe to be true, that's them and not me.
    But however, when people goes about trying to tell me a Christian about my Christian bible/ scriptures, like they know more than I do.
    But then people not realizing that I am not like other Christians, That goes about trying to say things to me, that other Christians would only run away from.
    but soon possibly find out FaithofChristian is not like other Christians, he's not running.
    And people not realizing that in to days world, there are Christians coming like unto myself.
    That do know more about the Christian bible/scriptures than most Christians would ever know and people in general.

    So when people start talking to bring in about the Christian bible/scriptures, that when I give my voice.to what they maybe saying in and about the Christian bible/scriptures.

    So when a person quotes the Christian bible/ scriptures and I know definitely it's not there as to what their saying. Then I will ask them, Who told this, how do you come by this.

    Look here's my object, is to ask them, who told you this, is to hopefully get them to think. How do I know who told me this, how do I know for sure that person is telling me right, when I don't know the bible/scriptures well enough to know whether or not I'm being told right.

    You see, many people are told, but do not know for sure if the Christian bible/scriptures does say, what they are being told, only to run with what they were told, not knowing whether it's actually there or not.
    So those people may come across another Christian and tell them, and that other Christian doesn't know either, so that Christian runs away.
    So that person, come across a Christian like myself, I have had people say to me, Your definitely not like other Christians. You know to much about the Christian bible/scriptures. Things that I don't even know or heard about, until now.

    Ho by the way, the Baha'u'llah faith/ religion is not a threat to me.
    What I do have a problem with, is when people thinks it's their way or you die, that's a problem to me.
    And when people try to tell me what my Christian bible/scriptures will say.now there's come the problem.trying to tell me a Christian what my Christian bible/scriptures will say. Now they just went to far.
    Let's for say, that I went to tell a person of the Baha'u'llah faith, like i know more about their holy book than they do, I can without a doubt, that they will ask me certain questions to see just how much I really do know.
    the same as I do ask people questions to see just how much they really do know about the Christian bible/scriptures.
     
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    Nobody's denigrating anything. Stating one's belief isn't denigrating. People are all free to have whatever beliefs they wish. Nobody has to agree with another's belief.
     
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    When you have conversations, especially debative ones, it helps to know the side of the other. For example (just an example), if I just said LGBTQ is wrong sorry, edit, right and push it on you is one thing. Ive read the bible. I can use. the bible to show its something else. But a christian has to be open that his beliefs would be challenged. They cant be pushed aways just because I am not christian. We dont need to be scientists to talk about science. Religion is no different.

    It does help to know impart their belief so you know what you biblical scripture to use in relation to their belief not the person themselves. Its appropriate to know what you are defending and using your scripture against or it just looks like you throwing scripture without purpose and context.
    But, do you talk about other subjects without actually being a profession in that subject?

    The latter, I agree. Yes. It is insultive. What I did was addressed their beliefs. Its less personal when you talk about both of your scriptures instead of addressing who is right or wrong. Of course, it depends on if people are willing to do so. Religion is personal; so, thats just my observation.

    If you believe jesus is your lord and savior and speak from scripture we assume you are christian. Bahai are the only non-christains I know that speak as if they are christian-minded. Muslims and Jews I noticed dont do that.

    What type of christian are you?

    Thats a huge claim of over a billion christians in this world. Are you a scholar? Do you speak Hebrew and Greek and part of these cultures? What qualifies you over other christians?

    We dont know your interpretation of the bible. The problem I see in your approach is you feel you know better and truth than others (above). It makes your conversations highly bias and insultive to another persons intelligence and experiences regardless their religion, worldview, or denimination.

    The bible doesnt have a fixed interpretation. Its not an idol.

    Are you judging christians you speak with, with christians as a whole? I cant agree with you because you are generalizing and calling ignorant some elses understanding and correct knowledge of scripture.

    If you can do that, I dont see bahai any different in their aproach as you theirs. The main thing I dont like about bahaism is incorporating christian beliefs under their interpretation of other peoples scriptures. At least christians dont do that...but outside of that, unless you can see other peoples point of view, you would be insulted quite often.

    Well. I get you there. All I can say is you two have different religions. Its better to challenge their religion not the religious.

    I dont care for christianity. I have and live with christian people. You guys arent special; you human too.

    But, yeah, you are not right all the time. Once you accept you are wrong sometimes about scripture, you may have less fustration.

    Bahai faith says your christ is a prophet not god who came in his time period to save people to build one humanity. They also believe that christ is in line with other prophets: The Buddha, Krishna, Zorasater, Muhammad, and Christ speak the same message with one muslim/christian/jewish god (no trinity) as their foundation of unity of all religions as one. Some day in the future, all religions will come together under on foundations of many rays. Hindu, Zoaraster believers, Buddhist, Christians, and Muslims will all to worship one god.

    While some bahai here are nicer than others, I find it eaiser to address their beliefs not the people. Lessons insults.

    Yeah. I can see that. I had a good conversation of their misinterpreting Dharmic religions both Hindu and Buddhist. Its their religion.

    I think maybe your conversations would be more productive if you address their religion. But since thats not your interest, I dont know how your problem would be resolved.
     
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    I don't think there is any such thing as a true prophet. I've yet to hear a prophecy that wasn't either so vague it could mean virtually anything or was no different than an accurate prediction.
     
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    Which, in turn, makes it your truth.
     
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    Your truth is the Truth of Jesus Christ.

    Thats what is meant by your truth/faith/how you define what is true to you
     
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    This is true.
     
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    Pretty much. The problem (or challange?) with that is christians and bahai are the only ones on RF I know of who are willing to "share" their beliefs. So, its easier to attack (or learn) what they know or would want to know best. There is a saying in biblical scripture that contradicts the nature of christian evangalism but supports outside faiths ironically: dont throw pearls to swine. Harsh but true.
     
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    What if some of them do know more (you dont know all christians in the world) than you?

    They dont know your spiritual interpretation; that is yours, and yours alone. But the bible is not special in regards to academics and history. We can discuss the correct facts and interpretations of the bible without being christian because we are not looking at it from a biased point of view.

    Your interpretations are highly biased. So, you may be accurate with the interpretation of your truth (lower t) about jesus christ, but that doesnt mean everyone else shares the same bias.

    Its not academics and history (who has the correct greek word). They are clashing with your spiritual connection with scripture. You interpret that as a threat. It is not. You just have to accept what they know can be fact; and not all facts will align with your spiritual conviction of it.

    In other words, the facts of the bible are not changed by a persons religion or lack there of. Anyone can give you facts about scripture. They are not wrong.

    What I assume bothers you is you are interpreting their objective intepretations a threat to your spiritual ones. They are totally different. You are only right to your own faith. You dont have the correct interpretation of the bible for all people just for you.

    Once you understand that, your fustrations may lighten up.
     
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    The red took me off track a little bit. :D

    And, I didn't read it so I am sorry.

    A prophet isn't a prophet because he has said so. A prophet is a prophet because he or she has told the truth about the unseen. So, someone is A Prophet only if he or she has the dedication to tell the truth all the time. How many of those have been here? I guess for real almost zero. But, if Jesus is real, then one.
     
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    How many religions that you know of, Teaches the Three Heaven's and Earth age's

    There's three stages that the earth is going through.
    The first earth age, is where the dinosaur bones came from.
    The second earth age, is where were at now.
    The third earth age, will come at the time, when Christ Jesus returns.

    If people knows the Christian bible/scriptures, so well, see if they can explain the Three Heaven's and Earth age's.
    That's found within the pages of the Christian bible/scriptures.

    What happened in the First Earth age, that brought us to be here in this second the earth age, and for what reason are we here, and what happened.

    It's all there, within the pages of the Christian bible/scriptures.

    Here's another good example, does the bible mention Islam. Many people will into the Christian bible/scriptues, going about putting their twist into the Christian bible/ scriptures. Now I did that to another Religious book, can you imagine the out cry there would be.

    But yet people think nothing about it, But when a Christian stands up, Such as myself to correct them in their error, those people come across like they know more, than the Christians themselves knows about their own bible/scriptures.
    In their wildness dreams, they know nothing, only to take and twist the things within the Christian bible/scriptures, to fit their agenda.

    You would think that a person would stop and think, since it is a Christian bible/scriptures, maybe I should at lease take in consideration what the Christians have to say. Since it is a Christian bible/scriptures.
    But Nope, people come across like they know it all about a Christian bible/scriptures.

    So I ask those people, explain exactly about the Three Heaven's and Earth age's.
    It's all there within the pages of the Christian bible/scriptures.
     
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    How do I define what is true to me, by listening to what Christ Jesus will say throughout the Christian bible/scriptures.

    The truth lays with knowing what the Spirit of God teaches. That the Spirit of God shall bring to my remembrance whatsoever Christ Jesus has said throughout the Christian bible/scriptures.

    As it is written ----"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned"
    1 Corinthians 2:14.
     
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    Well whether you know it or not.
    As you speak, your fulfilling Prophecy that was written in the Christian bible/scriptures a little over 2000 years ago.
     
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    So anyone who disagrees with your understanding of scripture is twisting the scripture? That's simply name calling and not an argument.

    So what does the word Christian mean? To me, it means being a follower of Christ (Luke 9:23). When one follower of Christ starts saying to another follower of Christ, "I'm a follower of Christ, and you're not a follower of Christ", or "I know, and you know not", its just the a repetition of what Christians have being doing to each other for centuries.

    Baha'u'llah literally translated means 'Glory of God'. If you check a biblical concordance there will be over 100 references to the Glory of God in the bible, some Messianic.

    Your point of view is not shared by any Christian I've come across and you have not convinced anyone on this thread as far as I can see.

    When you keep saying the same thing over and over...sure.

    Read the verse and consider the context. There is nothing in Luke 7:28 to suggest John the Baptist to be the last prophet. The verse enables us to better understanding of the nature of both John the Baptist as a great prophet but how Christ is greater than John the Baptist by virtue of HIs lowliness and humility (Matthew 23:11-15).

    You have produced yet another biblical verse with an idiosyncratic interpretation that makes sense only to you.

    I'm not the one starting a thread attacking someone else's religion.

    If you want to debate scripture then you need to demonstrate your understanding of scripture with clear arguments to support your personal interpretation.

    If you want to present yourself as a Christian, you need to demonstrate the attributes of Christ including humility.
     
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    You have no idea about the Christian bible/scriptures to lecture a Christian about.
     
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    I'm not on this thread to prove Baha'u'llah is a prophet. I'm here to refute you claim that He is a false prophet.

    In regards the Baha'u'llah (Glory of God) in the Bible;

    Now it came to pass . . . as I was among the captives by the River Chebar . . . I saw visions of God. . . . This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD.
    Ezekiel 1:1, Ezekiel 1:28

    And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters . . . and the visions were like the vision that I saw by the river Chebar . . . And the glory of the LORD came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east. So the spirit took me up, and brought me into the inner court; and, behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house.
    Ezekiel 43:2-6

    "The glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see..."
    Isaiah 40:5

    "The excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the Lord ... [when] the ransomed of the Lord [the Jews] shall return."
    Isaiah 35
     
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    "The glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see..."
    Isaiah 40:5.

    When does this take place.

    Maybe you should take it up with Christ Jesus seeing how Christ Jesus spoke it,
    "For it cannot be, that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem"
    What Christ Jesus is saying here proves, if anyone comes to claim to be a prophet and dies any where else and not in Jerusalem is a false prophet.

    Christ Jesus also said in speaking about John the Baptist
    Luke 7:28--"28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he"

    Seeing there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist, that means there will be no more holy prophets after John the Baptist.
    Again this proves for anyone that comes to claim to be a prophet, are a false prophet.

    John the Baptist is the last of the holy prophets.
    Now as to why there will be no more holy prophets, could be because Christ Jesus said in the book of Mark 13:23---" But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things"

    Seeing how Christ Jesus said, that he, himself foretold all things, Now why would God need to send anymore prophets.

    Seeing that Christ Jesus foretold all things. What would be the use of God to send any prophets, Seeing that Christ Jesus has already foretold all things.

    Everything that a person will need to know is all written down throughout the bible/scriptures.
     
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