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Is anything real?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Akivah, Feb 13, 2014.

  1. Akivah

    Akivah Well-Known Member

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    Is there anything which is provable? Is anything real?
     
  2. Willamena

    Willamena Just me
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    If there isn't, then is that real?
     
  3. nilsz

    nilsz bzzt

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    My personal perspective is that nothing can be proven absolutely except perhaps for our immediate sensation, because all sensation can hypothetically have been manipulated so that it does not reflect reality. We may have false memories, we may live in a simulated reality, and our perception of this moment's past and continuation may all be artificial.

    Is this reason to act in any way other than what your convictions would dictate?

    I think not. It just takes time to get comfortable with it.
     
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  4. nazz

    nazz Doubting Thomas

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    That's really two separate questions. I know I exist and I know my experiences are real (to me). But I can't prove that to anyone else.
     
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  5. Caladan

    Caladan Agnostic Pantheist

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    That's a bit vague isn't it? If you want to do a comparative study of the factual content of different fields, claims, doctrines... This doesn't really help to build any direction.
     
  6. roger1440

    roger1440 I do stuff

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    "I think, therefore I am." René Descartes

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  7. Contemplative Cat

    Contemplative Cat energy formation

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    MU. No answer for that
     
  8. Falvlun

    Falvlun Earthbending Lemur
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    Supposedly math is. :p

    As for your other question, I am pro-reality. I have no reason to assume that reality doesn't exist. Nor do I have a reason to assume that the way I experience reality is incorrect. Yes, it is possible and probable that my senses do not tell me the whole story. But the part they tell is reliable.
     
  9. Contemplative Cat

    Contemplative Cat energy formation

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    It really depends on what you consider to be real.
    What you can sense and is thus relative, or what is universal and thus absolute.

    The world is both real and unreal. But it is contradictory to say things both are & are not.

    Trully it is MU. no truthful answer for thus question.
     
  10. bobhikes

    bobhikes AntiRepublican
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    If you can prove you are real then you can prove things are real to you. You will never be able to prove it to others, they must prove it to themselves.
     
  11. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Well. We need some fake stuff first.
    For comparison.
     
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  12. Quintessence

    Quintessence Tale Weaver
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    Can I confess that I despise that saying?
    (and also think much of the rest of this guy's philosophies are rubbish, but in particular this one)

    Kumar should be mandatory reading in American high schools or something:

    Excerpted from You are, Therefore I am: A Declaration of Dependence.

    We should be far more certain of the rest of reality existing given our dependence on it. Cogito, ergo sum is so $#@ backwards.
     
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  13. Tarheeler

    Tarheeler Argumentative Curmudgeon
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    Yeah, I'm not a big fan of Descartes, but his saying is a good answer to the OP; it was the same question that spawned it. If i remember it correctly, Descartes asked himself the same question, and, through his process, decided that the only thing he could actually verify as existing was his mind. Everything else could a fabrication of it.
     
  14. enaidealukal

    enaidealukal Well-Known Member

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    Sure. Depends on what you need for proof, but yeah, we can prove things. If someone tells you they don't believe you can hit a golf ball 200 yards, you can prove it by hitting the golf ball 200 yards.

    What do you mean by "real"?
     
  15. Akivah

    Akivah Well-Known Member

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    I like it. All may be illusion, but we act in accordance of it.
     
  16. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein I'm not deaf, I'm just a real bad listener
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    Yes, that is how I see it too. All we have are our own subjective experiences.
     
  17. NobodyYouKnow

    NobodyYouKnow Misanthropist

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    Best answer given.

    Everything is just as real as we are.
     
  18. Sunstone

    Sunstone De Diablo Del Fora
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    Provable and real are two separate questions. The laws of thought are provable, as is most of logic and mathematics.

    As for what is real, that involves metaphysical speculations that no perfectly sane person would indulge in, in my humble opinion. :D
     
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  19. sandandfoam

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    Madness has its attraction :)
     
  20. sandandfoam

    sandandfoam Veteran Member

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    From my perspective everything I perceive to be real is real. Furthermore, I do not believe anyone has access to objectivity. It is an illusion.
    Human beings are trapped in subjectivity.
     
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