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Featured Is anyone else here practicing a religion without beliefs?

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  1. Jim

    Jim Nets of Wonder

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    Then I’ve found what I was looking for when I started this thread. Thanks.
     
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    Correction: I might have found what I was looking for when I started this thread. I would need to do some investigation, to be sure.
     
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    Can you clarify what you mean when you say you have a religion without any beliefs?
     
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    It means that that they don’t always explain someone having views contrary to theirs as being a consequence of some kind of defect in that person’s character or capacities.

    (edited to add the following)
    It means that they don’t think of defects in character or capacities as being the only possible reasons for people having views contrary to theirs.
     
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    I'm asking about yourself, specifically. You say you have a religion without any beliefs; what religion is it?
     
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    It’s personal development and practicing community service, with the aim and purpose of trying to help improve the lives of all people everywhere and to improve the world for future generations.
     
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    I mean that I’m practicing something that I call “religion” without associating any beliefs with that, without using it to draw any belief lines between me and other people,
     
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    I’ve updated the description in my profile.

    “personal development and community service, with love for nature”
     
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    Hi MNoBody. Good morning. When the Messiah was resurrected and was seen by the disciples, Thomas in John 20 had the attitude of an atheist. He wouldn't believe that Yahshua was ressurected, despite being told this by his disciples. It says "24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Yahshua came. 25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Master. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe." They are lots of things that contribute to us having a belief, such as personal experience. But most beliefs come about I would say from what we hear and this is confirmed from Romans 10:17. But how are beliefs proven? Well, I would say if it corroborates with other evidence then it is proven. When the New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven, it's going to be difficult for people to deny that this is the City of Yahweh. It will be obvious that this city could not have been created by the likes of men, even with the best of our technology.

    There is no authority greater than Yahweh and His Word. It's His Word that should verify to us how we should live our lives and what we should believe. The Noble Bereans of Acts 17:11 proved from the Word first whether the message that was being brought to them was the truth but from the Bible.

    One of the reasons I'm here on RF is because I want to see if they are any gaps in my knowledge so I can do more research in to truth. Am I missing something? I'm not afraid of the truth because I have found the Bible is reliable. You asked the 'what is truth' question from John 18:38, but the Messiah answers the question in John 17:17 "Your word is truth".
     
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    good day. thanks for the discussion.

    but, whose word.?...the identity of this being is not clear....the nameless god ...small wonder
    these 'beings' rebrand themselves throughout history from the records available to research.
    even the torah has many names for god which are explained as being facets of the nature of that one, elohim and el shaddai, etc...translated as 'god' but that isn't a book written in english and it wasn't written for anyone outside of the semitic enclave......so it would be cultural appropriation to start making it applicable to anyone else. even yeshua said he only came for the lost sheep of the house of israel.[which is odd, in fact the whole story of each religion is pretty much equal in that odd regard]
    I am also looking for answers to these types of questions..not looking to run anyone else's ideas down, [that is not my motive for being here]
     
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    the funny thing about proving 'beliefs'...this has been the record history shows of pretty much all of them, eventually people find out they were horribly off base, out in the weeds, and that takes centuries, even millennia to occur
    we obviously have some really awesome divine tutelage for us to be this way....and this is a constant human foible
    so how do we balance all these 'wild' religious claims against what we know about humans presumptive attitude about how correct we all really are?
     
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    I would flip the nouns of the title to say
    I practice belief without religion
     
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    The thing is, what you're describing isn't actually "religion without beliefs" - both because religion involves beliefs by definition, and also because you clearly have beliefs associated with what you're calling your religion.

    From Dictionary.com:

    religion
    [ ri-lij-uh n ]
    noun

    1 a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

    2 a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

    3 the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

    4 the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.

    5 the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

    6 something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience

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    So, as you can see, every definition of religion involves belief. But that doesn't mean what you're doing isn't religious; I would say that it is, because it seems to fit definition 6.

    You say you're practising personal development and community service, with the aim and purpose of trying to help improve the lives of all people everywhere, and to improve the world for future generations. Why are you doing these things?
     
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    What I was looking for when I started this thread was people who practice something they call “religion,” without any belief system attached to it, without drawing any belief lines between themselves and others.
     
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    The reason I asked why you do those things that you call your religion was to make a point. I assume you do them because you believe they are good; you believe it's good to help people, to serve your community, and to improve yourself.

    Would you agree with that?

    And if so, my next question would be: why do you believe these things are good?
     
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    I’d like to know if there’s anyone here who is practicing something that they call “religion,” without associating it with any statement of beliefs.
     
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    Jim, what's the deal? We covered that already; by definition, you cannot have religion without beliefs.

    I don't understand why you keep refusing to even acknowledge my questions. If you aren't willing to talk about yourself, you shouldn't be expecting other people to tell you all about themselves.
     
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    I decided a few days ago not to try to discuss anything with anyone who associates me with a belief system.
     
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    NOTE: This thread is in the Seekers Circle forum, which has special rules.

    I’m searching for people who are practicing something that they call “religion,” without any statement of beliefs attached to it. One example that has been discussed here is Zazen.
     
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    ditto...
     
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