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Featured Is according to Jews everything God's will?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by ayin, Dec 22, 2020.

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  1. Skywalker

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    The Messiah entered Jerusalem on a donkey. Jesus said in Matthew 23:37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!"

    Jesus will come on a white horse in the future when 1/3 of Israel is saved when Israel is heavily evangelized during the Tribulation. When Jesus came the first time and his own rejected him, he came on a donkey. Answering Judaism: Examination of some arguments raised by "Supplement to Contra Brown" 3

     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Raphael Patai, said that the concept of a suffering Messiah, of course it makes sense. Jewish history, he's one of us, he understands, he doesn't just come riding in on a white horse. To this day, the funeral for great Jewish rabbis, they will say may his death serve as an atonement. The atoning power of the death of the righteous-Isaiah 53, he makes himself an asham, a guilt offering.
     
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    After Jews began having more contact with Christian apologists, more of them began reinterpreting the Suffering Servant to be the Nation of Israel. Rashi's views dominate Jewish and rabbinical theology. People confuse Biblical Judaism with rabbinic Judaism. THE MOSHIACH

     
  5. Harel13

    Harel13 Am Yisrael Chai
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    Skywalker, we've been over this a million times. You have zero evidence for your claims. Dude! You're literally quoting a post of mine where I quote Origen, a Christian just like you who proves you wrong.
    Stop with the nonsense. You've got zero ammo.
     
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    Not all of them believed that the Suffering Servant was Israel before contact with Christian apologists, although many did.
     
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    Harel13 Am Yisrael Chai
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    Yes. You know who didn't think this? Jewish apostates to Christianity. The rest side with Israel.
    Admit you have no evidence for your point.
     
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    While many Jewish people believed that the Suffering Servant was Israel before contact with Christian apologists, many of them saw that there was so much evidence that the Suffering Servant was the Messiah. It takes more faith to believe that the Suffering Servant is Israel than the Messiah. Sadly, pride darkens the heart and clouds the visions of many people. The true Jesus is not the fictitious Jesus conceived by popular culture, which tries to make Him to be like us rather than the other way around. Many churches dilute their message, whitewash difficult Bible passages, or present Jesus as something He is not. Culturally pleasing but fraudulent pictures of Jesus are people making God in their image. People have advanced many false messiahs and impostor Jesuses in their own image, and the idea that the Messiah is a political figure man is one of them.
     
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    Harel13 Am Yisrael Chai
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    Thank you for the admission.
    May I take it that you'll stop claiming Rashi or some other Jewish sage "invented" the concept?
     
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    I'm not saying that Rashi started the doctrine that the Suffering Servant is the nation of Israel, but many people follow the interpretations of the Bible that fit what is convenient for them, and today Rashi's view dominates Jewish and rabbinical theology.
     
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    "Not saying"? That is exactly what you have been saying until now. Is it truly impossible for you to admit that there is zero evidence for your view?
     
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    The belief that the Messiah isn't a divine Savior is never mentioned in the Old Testament-its just an interpretation of the Old Testament. There are many opinions but there is only one absolute truth. I believe that the Messiah is a divine Savior, because when people commit crimes they go to jail, and no matter how hard we try, we are still going to sin. A barrier of sin exists between people and God, and Jesus came to remove that barrier of sin. The Old Testament talks about a Savior Messiah, who will also have political functions during the 1000 years, but He is first and foremost a Savior Messiah. I Know My Redeemer Lives

     
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    Whatevs.
     
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    Job knew that the barrier of sin existed between people and God. Job 9:33

    Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.
     
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    Oh brother. :facepalm:
     
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    The Messiah came to remove the barrier of sin from between people and God. Only God can do that. The compound unity of echad shows that the Messiah was God the Son and the divinity of the Messiah is what the Bible teaches. Yachid refers to a solitary oneness and is never used to refer to God.
     
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    Look, it's long been obvious that you don't care about what other people actually say to you. You're only interested in repeating your same bunch of points. As long as that's the case, I guess I have nothing else to say to you. Therefore, I recommend you stop quoting old posts of mine. It's a waste of both of our time.
     
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    Why do you think echad is used for God in the Old Testament and not yachid?
     
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    It's called Hebrew man. Hebrew works like that. It's later Christian polemics that claimed that Jews changed the meaning of Hebrew. Pure, disgusting audacity.
     
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    Christians saying anti semetic things was terrible. They were being a bad example of Jesus and did more damage to the gospel than even atheists. That has nothing to do with Jesus dying for his creation. Real Messiah

     
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