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Featured Is according to Jews everything God's will?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by ayin, Dec 22, 2020.

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  1. Skywalker

    Skywalker Well-Known Member

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    The Tanakh mentions the Messiah being born in Bethlehem. Al-Masihu Isa: God's Anointed Messiah


     
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    Harel13 Am Yisrael Chai
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    But what does any of that have to do with what you replied to???

    Also, I'm Jewish, remember? Why quote from something Islamic?
     
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    It has to do with the Messiah and anointed one being the same person. It was a reply to this post

    The word moshia literally means savior. The word mashiach literally means anointed. A moshia doesn't have to be anointed and a mashiach doesn't have to be a savior.
     
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    No, you asked what the difference is between two Hebrew words.
    Is according to Jews everything God's will?
     
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    Harel13 Am Yisrael Chai
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    I explained the difference between words. What does that have to with the Islamic view of some dude named Isa?
     
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    I was quoting an article that explained how the anointed one and Messiah are the same person.
     
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    But I explained in that post that messiah means anointed. What does that have to do with the linguistical difference between moshia and mashiach?
     
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    Before I said the anointed one is Jesus, you said

    They are completely different words from different roots. One ends with an ayin, and one with a chet. Lumping them together would be the same as, in English, saying that "important" and "impotent" are the same because when people pronounce them, they sound similar.
     
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    Yes, I wrote that in response to your question, "What's the difference between Moshia and Messiah?"
     
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    I was talking about the nuance between a Messiah and a Savior, which have overlap.
     
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    I was discussing that anointed one and Savior aren't mutually exclusive.
     
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    Except Yonatan was only the son of a messiah.
     
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    Why do you think his father was a Messiah? Only God is a Messiah.
     
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    Because the text says so. 1 Sam 10:1
     
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    There's a difference between an anointed one and the anointed one. Al-Masihu Isa: God's Anointed Messiah

     
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    The annointed one and the Messiah are the same person. Al-Masihu Isa: God's Anointed Messiah

     
  18. YoursTrue

    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    So right. Moses (Moishe) had a specific role. He, we know, was not perfect, meaning he made a mistake, an impetuous act, that cost him by God, although God Almighty had a very close relationship with him and used him mightily. Jesus as described in the gospel accounts plus more books, never made a mistake. So yes, a name is a name, but interestingly there is only one designated as "the" Christ, or Messiah. (Moshiach)
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    OK, wasn't that what you were discussing? Sorry if I didn't follow. (Count me out <g> for a while)
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    Plus, a messiah is not always the same as savior, is it? But maybe it can be. What do you think?
     
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